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    Quote Originally Posted by proggosaurus View Post
    you know these already?

    Ske - Fraguglie (1000 Autunni/2011)
    indeed! there were many 'post 70s' albums from Italy I had to leave off my list and the Ske is one of the best!
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Goblin are the only band to match the other 3 so far. As great as miracoli, rosenbach, alphataurus and maxophone are, they are only one album bands

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROGMONSTER View Post
    Goblin are the only band to match the other 3 so far. As great as miracoli, rosenbach, alphataurus and maxophone are, they are only one album bands
    according to what I read from your post, wouldn't you have forgotten The New Trolls and their offshoots in your reasoning??

    If we have to count by adding every band's output to quantify or list by magnitude of achievement, than my clear Italian winner is Perigeo

    their first four are awesome (I could've listed all our in my previous post), not even counting the posthumous double live

    I've yet to hear their post 75 album and the two 80's thingies, btw
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from heroin-addicts to crazy ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    according to what I read from your post, wouldn't you have forgotten The New Trolls and their offshoots in your reasoning??

    If we have to count by adding every band's output to quantify or list by magnitude of achievement, than my clear Italian winner is Perigeo

    their first four are awesome (I could've listed all our in my previous post), not even counting the posthumous double live

    I've yet to hear their post 75 album and the two 80's thingies, btw
    You Jazzhead you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    You Jazzhead you.
    I plead guilty

    Can I go free, your honour??
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from heroin-addicts to crazy ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    Excluding Le Orme, Banco, and PFM, who are the main Italian bands from the 1970s that match the "Big Three" or surpass them. A few that come to mind immediately are Celeste, Latte E. Meile, New Trolls, Semiramis, Alphataurus, Arti E Mestieri, Picchio Dal Pozzo. I think there are dozens of Italian bands that are as good or better then the "Big Three".

    What are you top bands and why do you think they are equal or better compared to Le Orme, PFM, or Banco?
    For me, there's only one band who equals or surpasses your Italian "big three," and that's Area. In fact if I did a big three, it would be Area, Banco, and PFM. I like the four Le Orme albums from Collage to Contrappunti a lot, but not as much as the other three bands, whose key albums I think are in a different league.

    After those, for my tastes, I don't think there are any that equal or surpass those four bands for quality, and quantity of quality output. Here are those that I think come closest:

    Apoteosi
    Arti + Mestieri
    Il Balletto di Bronzo
    Il Baricentro
    Bella Band
    Etna
    Festa Mobile
    Goblin (really just for Profundo Rosso and Roller)
    Maxophone
    Metamorfosi
    Napoli Centrale
    Picchio Dal Pozzo
    L Uovo Di Colombo

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    Besides Area, Stormy Six....other albums that are personal gems for me are:

    Osanna - Palepoli
    Alusa Falux - Intorno...
    Cervello - Melos
    Pichio Dal Pozzo - s/t and Abiamo...
    Locanda Della Fate - Forse....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Alusa Falux - Intorno...
    Oops, missed that one in my list. That's a very good one.

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    Area is my top italian band, but I cant see anybody mentioning Yugen ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post

    After those, for my tastes, I don't think there are any that equal or surpass those four bands for quality, and quantity of quality output. Here are those that I think come closest:

    Apoteosi
    Arti + Mestieri
    Il Balletto di Bronzo
    Il Baricentro
    Bella Band
    Etna
    Festa Mobile
    Goblin (really just for Profundo Rosso and Roller)
    Maxophone
    Metamorfosi
    Napoli Centrale
    Picchio Dal Pozzo
    L Uovo Di Colombo

    Bill
    The bold are the CDs I own. What albums would you recommend from the others - and which are the best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Besides Area, Stormy Six....other albums that are personal gems for me are:

    Osanna - Palepoli
    Alusa Falux - Intorno...
    Cervello - Melos
    Pichio Dal Pozzo - s/t and Abiamo...
    Locanda Della Fate - Forse....
    I have these ones - I like the raspy vocals on Alusa Falux - very emotive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Area is my top italian band, but I cant see anybody mentioning Yugen ???
    Not really surprising in a thread about the 70s, ain't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    The bold are the CDs I own. What albums would you recommend from the others - and which are the best?
    Not so difficult, Il Baricentro had two albums and Napoli Centrale had three (in the 70s), all others had only one.
    Festa Mobile and L Uovo Di Colombo are very good Prog albums. The other bands are more proggy Jazz Rock Fusion (all of them very good)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheH View Post
    Not so difficult, Il Baricentro had two albums and Napoli Centrale had three (in the 70s), all others had only one.
    Festa Mobile and L Uovo Di Colombo are very good Prog albums. The other bands are more proggy Jazz Rock Fusion (all of them very good)
    Ok - like Jazz but I'll explore Festa Mobile and L Uovo Di Colombo first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheH View Post
    Not so difficult, Il Baricentro had two albums and Napoli Centrale had three (in the 70s), all others had only one.
    Festa Mobile and L Uovo Di Colombo are very good Prog albums. The other bands are more proggy Jazz Rock Fusion (all of them very good)
    Yeah, that's about what I'd say. I particularly like the Etna, which is fusiony but also pretty "Proggy" to my ears as well. Bella Band is definitely more jazz rock. I'd also recommend starting with the first Napoli Centrale album, which is probably my favorite of their three 70s albums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    I'd also recommend starting with the first Napoli Centrale album, which is probably my favorite of their three 70s albums.
    Yes the first Napoli Centrale is the best - but all are rather jazzy imo (which is not bad at all)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheH View Post
    Not really surprising in a thread about the 70s, ain't it.
    Forgot that - saw Ske mentioned and jumped.

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    I was asked to submit my Top 30 for this site a few years back. There are two PFMs, one Banco and one Orme, but other than that it fits the premise of this thread:

    http://www.italyprog70s.com/visitorstop30albums.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffCarney View Post
    I was asked to submit my Top 30 for this site a few years back. There are two PFMs, one Banco and one Orme, but other than that it fits the premise of this thread:

    http://www.italyprog70s.com/visitorstop30albums.html
    Nice list, although someone seems to have made a mistake putting Ys at 29. That should have been 2.9, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PROGMONSTER View Post
    Goblin are the only band to match the other 3 so far.
    Er, no they're not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Area is my top italian band, but I cant see anybody mentioning Yugen ???
    are they 70s?
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    according to what I read from your post, wouldn't you have forgotten The New Trolls and their offshoots in your reasoning??

    If we have to count by adding every band's output to quantify or list by magnitude of achievement, than my clear Italian winner is Perigeo

    their first four are awesome (I could've listed all our in my previous post), not even counting the posthumous double live

    I've yet to hear their post 75 album and the two 80's thingies, btw
    I haven't heard much of them yet. Planning to though

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    are they 70s?
    no, their first album was 2008. Udi Koorman was sound engineer for that one and Iridium too I believe. I only referenced those other albums as recommendations to Jay Dee in his quest for Canterbury style or influenced. I see em that way but others may not. I love the Mooggg album. I keep waiting for Starsky and Hutch to kick my door in. aside from that, I'll still stick with the three "70's" I picked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisoned Youth View Post
    Nice list, although someone seems to have made a mistake putting Ys at 29. That should have been 2.9, right?
    Yeah, it was just arranged alphabetically by album title. I wasn't asked to make it in any kind order.

    Ys would make my Top 5, easy. In fact, my Top 5 would probably be as follows:

    5. New Trolls - Searching For a Land (for the 1st LP of the double which is SO strong. Too bad the 2nd isn't 1/10th as good)
    4. Reale Accademia Di Musica - S/T
    3. Balletto Di Bronzo - Ys
    2. PFM - Chocolate Kings
    1. Adriano Monteduro & Reale Accademia Di Musica - S/T

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