So, i was geeking around on ebay and saw that these were released in this format. Are they worth shelling out the money for. And yes, i have an SACD player as part of my mother system.
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So, i was geeking around on ebay and saw that these were released in this format. Are they worth shelling out the money for. And yes, i have an SACD player as part of my mother system.
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I thought SHM and SACD were totally different formats and were never combined. Maybe I'm wrong.
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SHM CDs do not sound a Cent better than normal CDs, they are just designed to hold longer than normal CDs.
SACD might Sound better, but that's based on the source as they just can hold more information.
I would expect that SHM applied to SACD would make even less difference because the bit rate is higher and the result is less affected by a given bit error rate.
I have the shm cd of the first and platinum shm cd of the second and Jobson Zinc release. I like the sound of all, I think I read somewhere the source material was very good for all.
I know the one's from Japan are new masters .Not from master tapes but flat transfers with no EQ,I have the Tangerine Dream ones that sound great.
Chris with all due respect, I'm quite correct. Perhaps you are not expressing yourself correctly and we are not finding common ground. You are interchanging bit depth and sampling rate in your posts. They are not the same thing.
SACD is a disc format that contains DSD files. DSD is a 1-bit format at a very high sampling rate (2.8224 mhz). This is compared to Redbook CD which is PCM based and is a 16 bit format at a sampling rate of 44.1 mhz. I will refer you to the Wikipedia page for SACD format: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD
There are downloadable recordings at higher sampling rates of DSD ie DSD128 and DSD256 but that has nothing to do with SACD. The specifications for the SACD format are clearly defined.
Where you and I are most likely in agreement is that SHM (a manufacturing technique) makes any difference at all.
You guys are being a "bit" anal about this aren't you?
In reply to the actual question, how do these discs sound? The original EG CD issues of UK's albums actually sounded pretty good. These SACD issues sound, to me a tad better, but not a revelation in sonic improvement. There was a question on what sources were used for these issues. The credits stated they were from the original analogue tapes, EJ begged to differ. You may want to wait (for how long, is anyone's guess) for the box set which will include hi-res stereo on blu-rays. They may be the ultimate in digital editions for these albums, depending on what EJ has done in the remastering. I would wait on comments on these first.
Who gives a rats ass, as long as they sound good!
FWIW, I've done a few plain SHM CD a/b's to regular CDs and couldn't hear any difference...well, unless the SHM CD was remastered, in which case results varied...and to which I attributed the remastering, not the SHM material.
I could be wrong, but in my limited test that's what I found.
SACD, on the other hand, can be remarkable...again, if the mastering is good.
The advantage of SACD is that the mastering job isn't as difficult and to some extent the end result is easier to obtain than with CD. Obviously if the master tape or original multichannel tapes, are not directly archived in a high resolution format, SACD can't save it. A direct transfer is more likely achieved with SACD which means to me no mastering required. CD is still a limited dynamic range format and requires some mastering tricks.
BTW, did you all see this in the new Syn-Phonic list? I thought if I mentioned it you'd all suddenly need it:
DUST AND DREAMS BOX (DUST AND DREAMS/ON THE ROAD 1972/ON THE ROAD 1982/HARBOUR OF TEARS/ON THE ROAD 1981/RAJAZ/‘73 - ’75 GODS OF LIGHT/A NOD AND A WINK) (8 CD) (JAPANESE MINI LP SLEEVE SHM-CD BOX SET) $310
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