Results 1 to 18 of 18

Thread: Allan Holdsworth with The Pat Smythe Trio - British Rail (Live video 1974)

  1. #1
    Member nosebone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Stamford, Ct.
    Posts
    1,530

    Allan Holdsworth with The Pat Smythe Trio - British Rail (Live video 1974)

    I love 70s Holdsy!

    no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone

  2. #2
    Member chalkpie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Hudson Valley, NY
    Posts
    8,211
    Fuckin' awesome!!

  3. #3
    Nnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiccccccce . . . . . . . . .
    Hired on to work for Mr. Bill Cox, a-fixin' lawn mowers and what-not, since 1964.

    "Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway." Anonymous

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” George Carlin

  4. #4
    Member Zeuhlmate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    Posts
    7,302
    Nice find!
    I must admit, that IMO its not his finest hour, he tries to play 'jazz' but most of the time he doesnt really hit the spot. The last solo is the best.
    But its interesting to watch him in a period where his playing is still of this world!

  5. #5
    Traversing The Dream 100423's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Kansas City Area
    Posts
    552
    Very cool!

  6. #6
    Member nosebone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Stamford, Ct.
    Posts
    1,530
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Nice find!
    I must admit, that IMO its not his finest hour, he tries to play 'jazz' but most of the time he doesnt really hit the spot. The last solo is the best.
    But its interesting to watch him in a period where his playing is still of this world!
    He is playing jazz, but he just ain't swingin!
    no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone

  7. #7
    Member Zeuhlmate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    Posts
    7,302
    Quote Originally Posted by nosebone View Post
    He is playing jazz, but he just ain't swingin!
    You can say that again
    I would think that a lot of jazzguitarist wouldn't call it jazz (I can hear them say: There is more to it than doodling scales over chord changes), but there we are again, what is prog, jazz, rock... and do we care much?

    And nobody (except Ollie) was doing anything similar at the time, he was in a developing phase - a year after, the music on SF - Bundles fitted his playing style much better.

  8. #8
    Did anyone notice in the opening credits they spelled it: Alan Holdsmorth?

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Iowa City IA
    Posts
    2,451
    I love it... I must be a total Holdsworth fanboy, because I think he just smokes from beginning to end on this. Smythe is no slouch either (never heard of him before).

    But I wish someone had bought Marshall a new shirt!

  10. #10
    Member FrippWire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Dearborn, MI
    Posts
    625
    I'll readily admit I'm a Holdsworth fanboy. I loved this video. This kind of music is right in my wheelhouse. I especially appreciate the little Han Bennink bit Marshall inserted into his drum solo.

  11. #11
    Member nosebone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Stamford, Ct.
    Posts
    1,530
    Holdsy started swingin in the 90s.
    no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone

  12. #12
    Member interbellum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Xymphonia-city
    Posts
    4,642
    Thanks for posting this! Great to see this, especially because of the very well quality of the video.

    Is it correct that this performance isn't on http://calyx.perso.neuf.fr/bands/chrono/holdsworth.html ?

    Compared to Soft Machine Holdsworth seems a bit without a compositional idea on this one.

  13. #13
    Member Paulrus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    The Left Coast
    Posts
    2,171
    This video had me rushing to Wikipedia. Interestingly the height of Pat Smythe's career was well behind him when this happened. He was probably coasting along at this point, riding the fusion wave that was rolling across America and Europe. I immediately recognized Marshall but not the bassist. And it doesn't appear that this version of the trio ever recorded, but I'm sure they gigged a lot (probably mostly in France! ).

    And put me in the "not Holdsworth's finest hour" camp. It's fine to reel off fast solo lines, but I don't get any sense of harmonic grounding here. IMO Pat Metheny did this kind of thing *much* better. IMO Holdsworth operates best within his own style and against more angular material and instrumental accompaniment.
    I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.

  14. #14
    Member Mikhael's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Austin, TX USA
    Posts
    154
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersonic Scientist View Post
    Did anyone notice in the opening credits they spelled it: Alan Holdsmorth?
    Some sort of upside-down lysdexia. W, M...
    Gnish-gnosh borble wiff, shlauuffin oople tirk.

  15. #15
    Member Wounded Land's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    A hotel where nobody stays
    Posts
    93
    It's like he hadn't worked out his harmonic concept yet. Extremely impressive technical playing, however, especially considering how low gain his tone was. Getting the attack that even on those legato lines is not easy.

  16. #16
    Member nosebone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Stamford, Ct.
    Posts
    1,530
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    You can say that again
    I would think that a lot of jazzguitarist wouldn't call it jazz (I can hear them say: There is more to it than doodling scales over chord changes), but there we are again, what is prog, jazz, rock... and do we care much
    Yeah, but this was a modal piece without a lot of chord changes.

    Holdsy's lines were pretty cool, no doodling although lots of streaming in there.
    no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone

  17. #17
    Member chalkpie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Location
    Hudson Valley, NY
    Posts
    8,211
    Quote Originally Posted by Paulrus View Post
    It's fine to reel off fast solo lines, but I don't get any sense of harmonic grounding here..
    If you are saying that he he is not playing to the changes, then we will agree to disagree. Listen again. No wankery - he completely knows what he is doing and if you took one of those half-speed machines or software such as The Amazing Slow Downer, then you will hear that he is all over the changes. Its true he is hitting notes of "color", but its wrong to imply he is blowing bullshit at random. If you didn't mean this , then my apologies in advance

  18. #18
    Member interbellum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Xymphonia-city
    Posts
    4,642
    Slightly OT, here's Allan's tribute to Pat Smythe from his Secrets-album:


Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •