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    My Beatles Bible growing up was All Together Now by Harry Castleman. Note that this was released in 1976, with liner notes for each song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    Are the Phillip Norman books any good?
    Yes, but I do not like the anti-McCartney/Harrison chapters in later versions of Shout! Very mean-spirited in my view. McCartney loathed the book from the start, allegedly calling it 'Shite'. However there has been a detente between him and Norman over more recent years.

    As for Lewisohn, it's worth making your way through the many interviews here. In some he talks frankly about the strained relationship he had with George Harrison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    Maybe I asked this question before, but how about some recommendations for books on the Beatles? Besides the massive Complete Beatles Recording Sessions, which I have. Are the Phillip Norman books any good?
    The Beatles Anthology.

    Anything by Lewisohn.

    Geoff Emerick's is essential, but a bit whiney.
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    I'm very fond of the first part of the series of books Mark Lewisohn is writing.

    There is also a book by Jean-Michel Guesdon and Philip Margolin on the Beatles recording.
    And for those interested in sheetmusic, I also own a book with the complete sheetmusic of all Beatles songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Geoff Emerick's is essential, but a bit whiney.
    I haven't read the book but I'm aware of the general tone. In one of those podcasts, Lewisohn alleged that there was score-settling, tit-for-tat going on. Harrison had previously bad-mouthed Emerick so Emerick returned the 'favour'.

    McCartney and Barry Miles' book Many Years From Now is worth a read. Again there's an agenda with McCartney at the height of his 'I was the weird one really!' mode, but it's probably the closest we'll get to an autobiography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    I haven't read the book but I'm aware of the general tone. In one of those podcasts, Lewisohn alleged that there was score-settling, tit-for-tat going on. Harrison had previously bad-mouthed Emerick so Emerick returned the 'favour'.
    And he went out of his way to show his love for Paul, who was very nice to him, unlike the JOhn and George, apparently. I get it, though. I can see how studio engineers might be treated by "rock stars." But, he did come off as a bit whiney about it. That being said, he was a vital participant and I'm glad he wrote the book.
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    Also for an analysis of every track they recorded in the studio, Ian Macdonald's Revolution In The Head.

    Their BBC sessions have been an area of particular interest for me in recent years.

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    Lewisohn needs to get volume II out or he's going to make George RR Martin look like a speed demon.
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    ^Don't hold your breath.

    https://www.marklewisohn.net/volume-2/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    If I hold my breath I will die and I cant read the next books.

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    If I hold my breath
    ...you'll turn blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Their BBC sessions have been an area of particular interest for me in recent years.
    Desert island music for me. I just can't get enough. And I have hundreds of tracks, too.
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    Anyone ever seen this short film? I discovered it last year and it's great, it's about the Star Club tapes and Kingsize Taylor/Allan Williams hustling the tapes around. Press the volume icon for sound if it's muted.

    https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/statu...25911424622592

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Anyone ever seen this short film? I discovered it last year and it's great, it's about the Star Club tapes and Kingsize Taylor/Allan Williams hustling the tapes around. Press the volume icon for sound if it's muted.
    Cool, thanks for the link. One interesting point is that Allan Williams mentions that Ringo had recently joined the Beatles when the tape was made. This contradicts the story that was put out when the recording came out on LP that the gig was from the Pete Best era, but Ringo just happened to be sitting in that night. This story was apparently made up to obscure the fact that the Beatles were already under contract to EMI when the tape was made.
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    ^Yes, John Lennon famously wisecracked that the sleevenote for the eventual Lingasong album had seemingly been written with a court case in mind.

    In reality The Beatles didn't want to do those late 1962 Star Club shows at all, as 'Love Me Do' was doing well in the charts at the time they went. Having said that I think the recordings have merit. It is the only documentation of The Beatles performing certain songs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits View Post
    Cool, thanks for the link. One interesting point is that Allan Williams mentions that Ringo had recently joined the Beatles when the tape was made. This contradicts the story that was put out when the recording came out on LP that the gig was from the Pete Best era, but Ringo just happened to be sitting in that night. This story was apparently made up to obscure the fact that the Beatles were already under contract to EMI when the tape was made.
    Yep, they recordings are from December of '62.

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    ^Yes, John Lennon famously wisecracked that the sleevenote for the eventual Lingasong album had seemingly been written with a court case in mind.

    In reality The Beatles didn't want to do those late 1962 Star Club shows at all, as 'Love Me Do' was doing well in the charts at the time they went. Having said that I think the recordings have merit. It is the only documentation of The Beatles performing certain songs.
    I love it. They claimed that their hearts weren't really into these performances, but man are they cool to hear! And there are fans out there doing a really good job of cleaning them up. The complete recording has been out for of ew years now. Personally, I think it's worthy of a limited official release.
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    ^I've heard a fairly recent version of the Star Club tapes (the 'Executive Version' or whatever it was called) and in terms of sound quality, it's not far from that tape of them rehearsing in the Cavern. Those who've heard the raw tapes always said they sounded far better than the lousy fake-stereo Lingasong version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    ^I've heard a fairly recent version of the Star Club tapes (the 'Executive Version' or whatever it was called) and in terms of sound quality, it's not far from that tape of them rehearsing in the Cavern. Those who've heard the raw tapes always said they sounded far better than the lousy fake-stereo Lingasong version.
    Yes, that's the latest version. It's quite good. He's working on a new one, too. I've heard a sample and it's another step. One can only go so far with these recordings, but it's quite an improvement over the original edited mess that got released.
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    Even with Lennon clowning around with the lyrics ('here I am on my nose') and without his vocal intro, the version of 'Mr Moonlight' is better than the one they did in the studio. A pity they didn't do the song like this for the BBC!

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    Last night I accidentally stumbled into 'Across the Universe' (the movie) on one of the channels.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Across...niverse_(film)

    I quite enjoyed it allthough the plot was weak or phony. Fun to hear the very different versions of the songs. Fun to recognize Beatles elements.
    But basicly rubbish all together.

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    Maybe I asked this question before, but how about some recommendations for books on the Beatles?
    My fave is "Recording the Beatles":
    http://www.curvebender.com/rtb.html

    It's not "about the Beatles" exactly, there are plenty of books on that, this one is on the equipment, studios and engineering, in great detail. If you're a big fan, highly recommended.

    Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    That article flat out states that the Lane was named after slaver James Penny, but according to this there is no historical evidence behind that claim:

    https://theprioryandthecastironshore...t-james-penny/
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    https://deadline.com/2020/06/the-one...ge-1202957814/

    the Peter Jackson documentary, The Beatles: Get Back, which was initially set for Sept. 4 of this year will now go close to a year later on Aug. 27, 2021. The doc includes footage from studio sessions that have never been seen or heard before as well as their final live performance on a rooftop in London.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
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