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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijinsky Hind View Post
    They were doing weird stuff in 67... And before as "johns children"... I consider them among-forerunners of prog. Peter Sinfield was a contemporary and mentions beatles and bolans in a song of his... They sung a lot about faeries and mystical shit... His partners name was peregrine took. Seem like ancient prog to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    Better known as Psychedelic Folk.
    I dunno, these are pretty solid roots... Please give the johns children vid a listen too...
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    After all, this is an archaeologic dig.... Lets throw in early Pink Floyd and Sid in with Marc Bolan.... All proggier than Jethro Tulls early works. And king crimsons early stuff relied heavily on psych-folk... No?

    Might we surmise then that prog is arguably the bastard stepchild of folk, psych, and rock?
    Give or take a flute or violin or two? Or a ripped off sonata or Caprice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijinsky Hind View Post
    I dunno, these are pretty solid roots... Please give the johns children vid a listen too...
    Iirc correctly, John's Children were Mod/Freakbeat/Popsike, but I don't have anything by them. Tyrannosaurus Rex were Psychedelic Folk of an uber-twee variety. I have a couple of their albums but must admit, I''m not a fan. They became a Glam Rock act when Bolan expanded the group to a 4 piece and shortened the name to T-Rex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    Iirc correctly, John's Children were Mod/Freakbeat/Popsike, but I don't have anything by them. Tyrannosaurus Rex were Psychedelic Folk of an uber-twee variety. I have a couple of their albums but must admit, I''m not a fan. They became a Glam Rock act when Bolan expanded the group to a 4 piece and shortened the name to T-Rex.
    You have your genre identification encyclopedia out.... Not fair... You have to use a shovel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nijinsky Hind View Post
    You have your genre identification encyclopedia out.... Not fair... You have to use a shovel!
    I already laid it out above. However, there's a possibility that paramecia in the primordial slime produced vibrations that were melodious, and that was the origin of Prog-Rock.

    My money's still on Ugg and Gronk.

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    This is an impossible question.

    Besides depending on the definition - and it's not true that there is no definition of prog, in fact there are thousands upon thousands of them, different for every fan, and every one is correct and every one is wrong - it depends on many other variable and slippery factors as well. Do you go by the sound or the concept or the methodology? You get different answers in each case. Do you count earlier attempts to fuse popular music and formal concert music, such as Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue (from 1924)? Do you count classical composers working in the opposite direction, for example La Creation du Monde (1922) or Ebony Concerto (1945)? To me, those are important. To others, not so much.

    What you could do, though, is cite a whole lot of sources, propose that all of them contributed (even if only a little), and that would probably be as close to accurate as you can ever get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baribrotzer View Post
    This is an impossible question.

    Besides depending on the definition - and it's not true that there is no definition of prog, in fact there are thousands upon thousands of them, different for every fan, and every one is correct and every one is wrong - it depends on many other variable and slippery factors as well. Do you go by the sound or the concept or the methodology? You get different answers in each case. Do you count earlier attempts to fuse popular music and formal concert music, such as Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue (from 1924)? Do you count classical composers working in the opposite direction, for example La Creation du Monde (1922) or Ebony Concerto (1945)? To me, those are important. To others, not so much.

    What you could do, though, is cite a whole lot of sources, propose that all of them contributed (even if only a little), and that would probably be as close to accurate as you can ever get.
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    The Prog Rock origins remounts on the music origins, since it is percussion instrument based music. So, Rock categorizing has always proved to be even more inaccurate than any exact science similar task, after all music is damn far from being exact science. I suspect that when the term progressive was created, many people looking forward to discovering his first Rock band simply was taken out the easier way to naturally find a Prog Rock band.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baribrotzer View Post
    This is an impossible question.

    Do you go by the sound or the concept or the methodology? You get different answers in each case. Do you count earlier attempts to fuse popular music and formal concert music, such as Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue (from 1924)? Do you count classical composers working in the opposite direction, for example La Creation du Monde (1922) or Ebony Concerto (1945)?
    HAH! Back to The Future II?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Robson View Post
    The Prog Rock origins remounts on the music origins, since it is percussion instrument based music. So, Rock categorizing has always proved to be even more inaccurate than any exact science similar task, after all music is damn far from being exact science. I suspect that when the term progressive was created, many people looking forward to discovering his first Rock band simply was taken out the easier way to naturally find a Prog Rock band.
    The first time I ever heard the term "progressive" applied to the type of music we are discussing was in late 1977 or maybe early 1978 by a guy was trying to describe to me the National Health show he saw the night before at the Paradise club in Boston. Not aware of National Health at the time, I had no idea what this guy was talking about. When he starting to throw in other examples of "progressive music" like Soft Machine and Gentle Giant, then I knew what he meant. So until then I didn't know what it was called, but I liked it. Like porn, I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
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