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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    It's really important to have this on record.

    Everything which isn't prog can easily be defined as a sort of non-prog, a separate genre not beyond prog but somewhat a bit under prog. Prog, for the record, has something to do with Yes and Genesis, both of whom also did some non-prog but which were mostly prog, not non-prog. One of the most enticing questions nowadays is whether or not Genesis or Yes will reform and whether or not it will be prog or non-prog to come out of it. Prog is not non-prog, and non-prog is not prog. One can be a bit prog and a bit non-prog, but it's very hard to be prog and non-prog at the exact same time. Prog - not non-prog - is the absolute keyword of absolutely everything, even if it's a non-prog issue.
    Only at the point of observation, i.e. listening*, does the prog-non-prog duality collapse and the result is deemed to be prog or non-prog. Unfortunately unlike the cat, which is definitely either dead or alive, it is impossible to get any number of people to agree on the state of prog or non-prog.

    * although not everyone listens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    It's really important to have this on record.

    Everything which isn't prog can easily be defined as a sort of non-prog, a separate genre not beyond prog but somewhat a bit under prog. Prog, for the record, has something to do with Yes and Genesis, both of whom also did some non-prog but which were mostly prog, not non-prog. One of the most enticing questions nowadays is whether or not Genesis or Yes will reform and whether or not it will be prog or non-prog to come out of it. Prog is not non-prog, and non-prog is not prog. One can be a bit prog and a bit non-prog, but it's very hard to be prog and non-prog at the exact same time. Prog - not non-prog - is the absolute keyword of absolutely everything, even if it's a non-prog issue.
    This is of course true but insufficient.

    The key point that the esteemed Mr. Scissor has missed here is the influence of the fundamental particle of progicity, the progtron (not to be confused with the mellotron), a lepton of order six, which is theorized but has, thus far, not been detected despite its clear effects on Genesis, Yes, and others. It cannot be detected by the Large Hadron Collider for several theoretical reasons, the most important of which is that to produce an isolated progtron would require energies approximately two orders of magnitude greater that the LHC can produce, a condition which would recreate the conditions roughly .25 seconds after the Big Bang (which is not to be confused with the sound of Bill Bruford's drums, though it might be similar to the sound of Keith Moon blowing up his kit). To accomplish this would require a circular accelarator powered by superconducting magnets, with roughly the diameter of the rings of Saturn.

    At any rate, the effects of the progtron can be detected. It has been calculated that if Robert Fripp played his guitar nonstop in a cave surrounded by tanks of water, approximately one progtron would be detected, on the average, every twenty-three years, meaning that to produce any sort of certain results, Fripp would have to play in the cave, nonstop, for roughly fifty years, or roughly three of his best soundscapes. If Fripp and John McLaughlin played in the same cave the rate could be improved to roughly 4.8 years, but the resulting energies might disrupt the experiment with an explosion seven times more powerful than the largest hydrogen bomb dropped at the Bikini atoll.

    The importance of the progatron to this discussion, of course, is that, like all subatomic particles, the progtron is subject to Heisenberg's law, and thus to the Schrodinger's Cat paradox, in whicih the cat is alive and dead at the same time. The point of which, of course, is that Kraftwerk are prog and non-prog at the same time
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    Radio Aktivität. In other words, the German version.

    IF you can find it.

    The first two and R&F are very good, albeit obviously different - but Aktivität remains my fave after all these years. Tone Float by Organisation is also a relatively interesting krautrock artifact, but by no means an essential one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Radio Aktivität. In other words, the German version.

    IF you can find it.
    Aaaaand now I have a quest to go on
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    A Latin Tribute to Kraftwerk


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