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    HBO has had great shows--Soprano's, Thrones. Curb and many more but has fallen off the rails recently ---lot's of competition right now. I'm boycotting Vinyl because of Bobby Carnivale's nasty remark about prog he made in an interview. Plus he lives in my neighborhood in the city and acts like he's hot shit with his nose in the air---so f him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progbear View Post
    I’ve only ever really followed HBO’s sketch comedy shows: The Kids in the Hall and Mr. Show (The less said about the stopgap show, Hardcore TV, the better. Some things are forgotten for a reason). Never had any interest in The Sopranos. I am interested in watching Game of Thrones after I finally get round to reading the books.
    For comedy on HBO I thought "Getting On" was really good. Also enjoyed "Eastbound And Down". John Oliver's show gives me a good laugh as well.

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    So this is a reality show about a record store?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    So this is a reality show about a record store?
    I never know if you are being serious or not, but in case you are……it is a show on HBO about the record business in the early 70’s. The main character runs a record label.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSly View Post
    I never know if you are being serious or not, but in case you are……it is a show on HBO about the record business in the early 70’s. The main character runs a record label.
    Better yet, consider who you're dealing with here, Steve. - To clarify - it is not a reality show, it is a drama that verrrrry loosely takes historical events and repurposes them in a fictional format...






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    I just had not paid attention to previous descrptions of the show. Thanks for explaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progbear View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nycsteve View Post
    Anybody naked in this? And should they be?
    It’s an HBO show. I think that’s a requirement.
    Not much so far as Episode 3... just a glimpse of a blonde chick trying to look like Stevie Nicks, and a fuzzy view of two broads backstage...

    Given the era the story is happening in, I'd say that HBO is being (unfortunately ) a bit conservative on the T&A dept...

    Quote Originally Posted by mozo-pg View Post
    I can't decide if I like it or not. Watched all episodes so far. Is Olivia Wild the main character's wife (must be)?
    Well, I'm at episode 3 (last night) and I don't dislike it at all

    However that first episode (the one filmed by Scorcese) was sooooooooo bloody long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2steves View Post
    I'm boycotting Vinyl because of Bobby Carnivale's nasty remark about prog he made in an interview. Plus he lives in my neighborhood in the city and acts like he's hot shit with his nose in the air---so f him.
    You should find him and punish him for those evil comments about the Prog. Seriously.
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    if actors are deserving of respect to the degree they respect prog, does that make Sherman Hemsley the greatest actor?

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    The show redeemed itself a bit with the newest episode.

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    I thought the one before was the worst episode they had done. The whole notion that the hanging out with his old Warhol crowd buddy was actually just in his mind ... ? Uh ... weak.

    The newest episode was similarly awful in how something that actually didn't happen, did happen. The whole idea that he gambled away the money in the safe was just horrible writing. Yeah, let's take something that significant, but show it only as part of his memory when we wrap up the episode. And then after last week's episode, are we supposed to think this is also in his mind (like his imaginary old friend) or something that actually transpired? Oh, right, this will be explained after the show ends in the brief synopsis.

    Not to mention that there wasn't really any in depth premise set to lure us into thinking that this could be something Ritchie would do. Or do we just assume that every alcoholic drug addict is automatically a gambling addict? Yeah, there was the good luck "sign," but man, didn't care for the end at all. Still, a far better episode than the week prior.

    I plan to watch the last two. Also enjoyed hearing "Hocus Pocus" blasting away during the final credits.

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    I've had really mixed feelings about the show. I've watched all the episodes. I'm starting to like it more.

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    currently busy downloading episode 7... most likely will view 5, 6 & 7 Moday evening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morpheus View Post
    if actors are deserving of respect to the degree they respect prog, does that make Sherman Hemsley the greatest actor?

    Close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    I'd say that HBO is being (unfortunately ) a bit conservative on the T&A dept...

    Unless your metric for "T&A" is based on pornography, I can't understand this viewpoint.

    IMO, they've overdone that element.

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    First Robert Plant persona was terrible they didn't even try to get the actor to sound British, this was hard to swallow but the Bowie episode was just shame on them and really taking the micky on us. It was terrible, awful really, the part where Bowie was supposed to be rehearsing live on stage is real but they distorted that sound even more to suit the movie, the actor did a bad attempt in sounding like Bowie when he spoke and to top it all he did even sound British (again just like Robert Plant actor above).
    Such a big budget tv series, great actors, why they ruin it by such obvious blunders is beyond me really. xx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    You should find him and punish him for those evil comments about the Prog. Seriously.

    He made a snide remark that the worse part of preparing for the show was he was forced to listen to Yes and other prog rock. Won't punish but maybe punch that smirk off his face Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSly View Post
    For comedy on HBO I thought "Getting On" was really good. Also enjoyed "Eastbound And Down". John Oliver's show gives me a good laugh as well.
    Getting on was great. Think it was based on a British show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffCarney View Post
    Unless your metric for "T&A" is based on pornography, I can't understand this viewpoint.

    IMO, they've overdone that element.
    Ok, I'm still basing my view based on the first three episodes (will see the next four early next week)

    But my "T&A metrics" to measure up to are:
    Sex & The City
    Hung
    Californication
    Aquarius (Charles Manson murders)
    You're The Worst
    Sex & Drugs & RnR
    Sons of Anarchy


    I could mention series I gave up on:
    Games of Thrones
    Black Sails
    Banshee
    Weeds
    Cougar Town
    (well T&A disapperared fairly quickly after two seasons, but it's not the reason why I gave up )
    etc...

    And that's just to mention the US series... All these series have vast more amounts of T&A than the first three Vinyl episodes.

    hopefully, you'll see why I think that Vinyl is quite conservative in the T&A exploitation scale because given the liberated sex historical context of the serie, they could've done a lot more without being tagged as exploitative
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    Vinyl has had too much "T&A," IMO.

    To the point where it seems like they are sometimes trying too hard to be "edgy."

    But then, I suspect we want different things out of a television series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffCarney View Post
    But then, I suspect we want different things out of a television series.
    Most likely... But I'm not out for T&A... if it happens to be in the TV serie's general scope, fine


    TBH, I'm not that big on TV (series or not) and I can do without them, and with most of these series I watched (they're now over), I almost had none left, but it wasn't like I was suffering TV Series-withdrawal syndrome and I bear little interest for Sci-Fi, police/crime (no Soprano for me), ultra-violence stuff (that's why I cut Banshee), Heroic-Fantasy, etc...

    I just found these three new serie that fit a RnR-ish subject (SD&RnR, Vinyl, this Charles Manson murder series) , so I'll be content with them... and if it goes awry, I'll drop it no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Most likely... But I'm not out for T&A... if it happens to be in the TV serie's general scope, fine


    TBH, I'm not that big on TV (series or not) and I can do without them, and with most of these series I watched (they're now over), I almost had none left, but it wasn't like I was suffering TV Series-withdrawal syndrome and I bear little interest for Sci-Fi, police/crime (no Soprano for me), ultra-violence stuff (that's why I cut Banshee), Heroic-Fantasy, etc...

    I just found these three new serie that fit a RnR-ish subject (SD&RnR, Vinyl, this Charles Manson murder series) , so I'll be content with them... and if it goes awry, I'll drop it no problems.
    Yeah, this is the first TV series I've watched for quite a while. I've also gotten caught up in The People Vs. OJ Simpson, which I took a chance on and was surprised by the caliber of acting and how good it was. Sans one episode which I didn't care for, I think that show is a lot better than Vinyl, but these are the two shows I'm following now. Most of the shows you mentioned, I've never even seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progbear View Post
    I’ve only ever really followed HBO’s sketch comedy shows: The Kids in the Hall and Mr. Show (The less said about the stopgap show, Hardcore TV, the better. Some things are forgotten for a reason). Never had any interest in The Sopranos. I am interested in watching Game of Thrones after I finally get round to reading the books.
    About a million years ago, HBO had a great satirical show called Not Necessarily The News. They did great stuff on that show, like one time they took a clip of Idi Amin greeting people at an airport, as he walks up to each and shakes his hand, dubbed in a voice saying, "We chop off your head in the morning!". Another great trick they'd do is intercut things like political convention footage with shots of an empty hall. I remember when The Beach Boys were temporarily banned from performing on Fourth Of July in Washington DC, they showed a clip of them playing to a packed house in Atlantic City or wherever, then they cut back to Wayne Newton or someone like that (whoever it was that James Watt that was more appropriate for a Washington DC Fourth Of July concert) again apparently performing to an empty venue.

    I remember there was a commercial for "My Dinner With Andre: The Video Game" (My Dinner With Andre was this art movie that came out circa 82, basically literally it was a theater actor and director having dinner and debating commerce versus art or whatever, for 90 minutes...one of the actors, also the writer and director, was Wallace Shawn, who later played Grand Negus Zek on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine...I guess that means art lost that argument!). Anyway, the commercial features two bored teenagers "playing" the game.

    And there were the Snigglets pieces, which were made up words that "should be in the dictionary, but aren't". Things likes words to identify that cheese that drips off the slice of pizza when you take a bite out of it, or the action of flushing the toilet while someone else is in the shower.

    There were also these sort of one liner type gags, like you'd see a couple walking past a store front, looking in the window, and seeing party things (eg hats, paper plates, those noise maker thingies) with the Russian flag on them. They look up on the sign and it says "Communist Party Favors" or something like that.

    One thing I remember they did a couple times was they took clips from Ronald Reagan's movies, and dubbed over dialog relating to the then current political debates going on. So you'd have Reagan, in a western, shooting a gunslinger, who in the dubbed over dialog was some senator who opposed whichever Presidential policy they were making fun of that particular week.

    And the theme music was the instrumental section of Eric Clapton's Motherless Children, something I didn't know until several years later.

    A downloaded a bunch of them from TV Vault a couple yeras back, but I thikn I only really got around to watching one or two. That was a great show. And of course, now the jokes make more sense to me than they did when I was ten!

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    And ok, I admit, I used to watch their Real Sex show, too. Lots of fun stuff on that program. I know they still rerun, but i gather they stopped producing new episodes like a decade ago. Too bad. It was a lot of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2steves View Post
    He made a snide remark that the worse part of preparing for the show was he was forced to listen to Yes and other prog rock. Won't punish but maybe punch that smirk off his face.
    We shall find Carnivale and exhume his brain from his skull and replace it with his thick colon, having that intestine tip stick out of his mouth after we've sown the skull back on while sowing his brain into his stomach to make him appear a bit pregnant. After that we place him in the back of a taxi cab, pay for his fare and text a message to the subjects responsible for receiving him on arrival that THIS is what happens when folks offend the Prog. This!
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    I've had this show saved up on my dvr and now i'm six episodes into it, as typical cable tv series it has a cool enough premise that's keeping me interested but also has parts that are just flat out annoying.

    The big question - why in the hell would anyone with half a brain not sell off a company when there is a solid offer on the table and then start the new "sub" label? I guess cocaine and booze is the obvious answer.
    This show does a pretty fair job capturing the era but now nearly as good as Mad Men. A lot of the time i feel like i'm watching a bunch of hipster doofuses at a 70's theme party. I guess part of my problem is the number scenes of iconic artist and the goofy actors impersonating them. At this point it's seems implausible that Alibi Records is going to be a smashing success.

    As far as dissing prog music - that's probably one of the more believable parts of the series. As much as i love Focus how many radio hits did they have after Hocus Pocus? After all, it is business, right?

    On the plus side i am enjoying the music, getting to hear bits and pieces of Big Star, The Sonics and Detroit proto-punk band Death on a television drama is pretty damn cool.

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