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    I'm not positive but I suspect the rearrangement of AYAI in the early days was simply to not have to try and switch guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polmico View Post
    I'll be the first detractor.

    Mushy sound. Loud cymbals. And. That. Fucking. Tambourine.

    So much of live Yes is ruined for me because Anderson can't stop hitting that damn thing. I want to hear what the drummer is doing. I want space between the instruments. I want to hear what everyone is doing. And Anderson's insistence on constantly hitting that thing gets in the way of all that and muddies everything else.
    Lemme be the second... Yeah, spirited in places, even a tad raw, but the sound quality flat out sucks to the point of distraction for me. And yes, take that fucking tambourine away from the prog nymph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    I'm not positive but I suspect the rearrangement of AYAI in the early days was simply to not have to try and switch guitars.
    Except that Howe still had to switch guitars. That's why he used the doubleneck. I've never heard any real explanation for why they changed the arrangement. I know Howe said in his guitar collection book that he eventually realized that AYAI "had" to be played on an acoustic 12 string, which is why they eventually reverted to the original arrangement. And I imagine he probably preferred swapping to regular six string electric for the one portion of the song where he needs it, versus schlepping that doubleneck for 10 minutes a night.

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    I read that the reason was that acoustic guitars could not be amplified sufficiently in those days
    and that electrics had to be used to avoid the feedback. The arrangement sounds pretty much the same except a 12 string electric was used rather than the acoustic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarplyrjvb View Post
    I read that the reason was that acoustic guitars could not be amplified sufficiently in those days
    and that electrics had to be used to avoid the feedback.
    Basically, acoustic instruments in general were tough to sit alongside electrics. With wind instruments it was easier but with acoustic guitars and other stringed instruments, it was tough to juggle the sound levels between the acoustic instruments and the electric ones without getting feedback. It’s the same reason Richard Tandy of ELO owned a Mellotron; when the amplification of the stringed instruments failed (which was inevitable), he could go in and sweeten the sound with Mellotron strings.

    The piezoelectric pickup simplified things. The Barcus-Berry company had been experimenting with piezoelectric contact microphones as amplification for violins and other acoustic instruments since the early 60s (I believe Jean-Luc Ponty was an early user) but it was only in the early 70s that their stuff took off. The refining of this technology also allowed acoustic guitars and pianos to be effectively amplified.

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    Yessongs sounded terrible. The mix was not very good, drums sounded like cardboard, etc.

    It's probably my favourite album of all time. Incredible music, played with incredible energy. Plus, when dealing with CttE, it was the band playing it all the way through, without those annoying all-too-obvious edits that were on the album.

    Yes, the production wasn't very good. But the band more than made up for that. And the cover was wonderful; it gave you something to stare at for the hours it took to listen to this bugger all the way through.

    And on Siberian Khatru, why O why doesn't Steve play those four solo chords that way anymore? Sliding down to the third chord made it just perfect, and now it sounds wrong every time he plays it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Fripp also knew he owed the record company another album, so he should brought a good quality two track tape machine (at the very least) on tour to record the album. Instead, he wimped out, and used a cassette deck! That's why Earthbound sounds the way it does! If it had been recorded on a Studer or a Nagra, with the proper mixing gear, it would have sound much MUCH nicer.
    He should have used a wire recorder.

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    And on Siberian Khatru, why O why doesn't Steve play those four solo chords that way anymore? Sliding down to the third chord made it just perfect, and now it sounds wrong every time he plays it...[/QUOTE]

    What guitar part are you talking about???

    And as much as I love the 12 string intro to AYAI (I play it anytime I pick up my 12 string), I think the Yessong's intro is so freakin powerful and dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adinfinitum View Post
    What guitar part are you talking about???
    Those four double-stop things he plays by himself while the band pauses. He makes five out of them by sliding the second one down, and I've always preferred that to the way he plays it now. It could've even been a mistake, but I like it.
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    A classic; one of the best live albums from prog's heyday! Yeah, it's not a great recording; I don't care! The band was on top of their game and Yessongs is full of inspired performances from what was a very grounbreaking band at the time.

    For reasons that I can't explain, I bought Yes' debut when it came out and though I loved it, the next album of theirs I got was this one. I got so used to the live versions of their tunes that it took me a while to warm up to the studio versions when I backtracked and got The Yes Album, Close to the Edge and Fragile. I still prefer some of the Yessong versions!

    I could nitpick about some things here and there, but why taint it with that sort of pettiness!? Like I said, it's a classic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhael View Post
    Those four double-stop things he plays by himself while the band pauses. He makes five out of them by sliding the second one down, and I've always preferred that to the way he plays it now. It could've even been a mistake, but I like it.
    Oh, you mean those D chord inversions ending on the F#/E after the intro before the whole band kicks in on the main riff - never noticed he doesn't play that correctly recently. I sometimes (actually, most of the time!) blow that last double stop when I'm playing that, but, I ain't Steve Howe.

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    Actually, on the studio version (I'll have to take a listen again), i thought that was two guitars - one of them does the slide to the third double stop [ha - talk about minutia!] - creates a sort of ADT effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adinfinitum View Post
    Actually, on the studio version (I'll have to take a listen again), i thought that was two guitars - one of them does the slide to the third double stop [ha - talk about minutia!] - creates a sort of ADT effect.
    On Yessongs there seems to keyboard with that part.

    Curious... what is ADT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thos View Post
    On Yessongs there seems to keyboard with that part.

    Curious... what is ADT?
    Automatic Double Track
    The creating of the illusion two the same instruments are playing in unison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    Automatic Double Track
    The creating of the illusion two the same instruments are playing in unison.
    Ah... thanks.

    What I meant was it sounds like there is a bit of keyboard on that last chord on yessongs, and even on the studio version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    Automatic Double Track
    The creating of the illusion two the same instruments are playing in unison.
    Ah... thanks.

    What I meant (but didn't say well in my post) was it sounds like there is a bit of keyboard on that last chord on yessongs, and even on the studio version.

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    Best live album ever.

    Ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adinfinitum View Post
    Oh, you mean those D chord inversions ending on the F#/E after the intro before the whole band kicks in on the main riff - never noticed he doesn't play that correctly recently. I sometimes (actually, most of the time!) blow that last double stop when I'm playing that, but, I ain't Steve Howe.
    I just noticed at last summer's show that he "blew" that part. I wasn't aware that it's just the way he plays it now.
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    THE Live Album, period.

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    My little brother had this LP in the early Seventies and I listened to it quite a lot.
    When I heard Fragile, I thought it sounded less adventurous than the live-recording.
    But I never bought the album nor one of the many CD-releases.
    When I saw a nice Japanese 7" version though, which a stereo SACD inside, I thought it was a nice way to go back to my youth.
    It looks like this 2014 version was recently re-released, this time with lyrics: https://www.discogs.com/Yes-Yessongs/release/9961058

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    A treat for Yes fans!

    Although the version of "And You And I" here is unlistenable to me. The studio version destroys it in every way. Everything else is stellar though.

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