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    What's Progressive?

    This was shared by the Captain Beefheart facebook page...



    I thought it was interesting.

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    It says Blues and Progressive, so the stuff that wasn't progressive at that time, had to be blues.

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    Those bands progressed from something else, and was progressive in the days.
    Playing in that style today wouldnt be progressive (perhaps except zappa). Basicly its music for older overweight men
    I would probably consider Beefhearts music progressive even today.

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    The term "Progressive" in the late sixties morphed out of the short lived British "Underground Scene" that Syd era Floyd and Soft Machine were initially identified with and basically meant "Cool" or "Hip" artists that crossed over the line on the supposed boundaries of Rock. "Progressive Rock" was not even a twinkle in someone's eye at that time. You dig me?
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    Some of those acts were far more progressive in 1970 than numerous alleged 'prog' bands are today, that's for sure.

    Anyway, this is how the term essentially was applied; rock music of a decidedly contemporary nature which was no longer considered 'underground'. This was its use here in Scandinavia as well, and AFAIK on the continent (Germany, Benelux and France).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Some of those acts were far more progressive in 1970 than numerous alleged 'prog' bands are today, that's for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Those bands progressed from something else, and was progressive in the days.
    Playing in that style today wouldnt be progressive (perhaps except zappa). Basicly its music for older overweight men
    I would probably consider Beefhearts music progressive even today.
    What about Pink Floyd? If they played Atom Heart Mother live it would be considered prog (and of course the way they played it live was often quite different than on record).

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    The most interesting thing about this for me is the e. e. cummings style of capitalization of “mothers of invention” and “the night tripper.” Was the person who designed this poster Dutch?
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    No Jon, no Bath Festival of Blues & Progressive Music '70!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevegSr View Post
    The term "Progressive" in the late sixties morphed out of the short lived British "Underground Scene" that Syd era Floyd and Soft Machine were initially identified with and basically meant "Cool" or "Hip" artists that crossed over the line on the supposed boundaries of Rock. "Progressive Rock" was not even a twinkle in someone's eye at that time. You dig me?
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamishogun View Post
    No Jon, no Bath Festival of Blues & Progressive Music '70!
    Not only that, but Steven Wilson was nowhere to be seen. Not an important festival for the Real Prog then.
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    Unless SW parents were there?

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    What's progressive these days? Visual art.

    Now what gets created first: music or its video?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Not only that, but Steven Wilson was nowhere to be seen. Not an important festival for the Real Prog then.
    He would have been about 3 years old then, so it's possible he was there.....probably was in the studio with Crimson giving them advice when he was 2 as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by infandous View Post
    He would have been about 3 years old then, so it's possible he was there.....probably was in the studio with Crimson giving them advice when he was 2 as well
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    Up to you if you want to label that progressive or not.

    I'm just going to label it awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytserush View Post
    Up to you if you want to label that progressive or not.

    I'm just going to label it awesome.
    Yup, killer lineup no matter what you call it. Maynard Furgeson certainly was not prog or blues. I saw him with my parents once when I was a kid. One hell of a trumpet player for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mogrooves View Post
    Those UK festivals in the late 60s and early 70s were unreal!
    In late seventies in Belgrade, I met a guy who went by hitchhiking from ex-Yugoslavia, in the late sixties and early seventies, to all of these festivals and one-day events in the UK, from The Rolling Stones' free concert in Hyde Park to the Isle of Wight festivals, and I heard wonderful stories from him. Personally, I was then too small to go, but I was at Knebworth 1979; actually I went that time in the UK to see The Who at the old Wembley so I went to the Knebworth too, as I wanted to see Todd Rundgren's Utopia. Led Zeppelin were headliners but they have disappointed me, especially in comparison with The Who gig at Wembley, but everywhere was, exactly as you said, an unreal atmosphere.

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    in 1970 mixing Blues and Rock was quite popular... and then there were those doing progressive things using Rock music elements like Santana, Zappa, Floyd and The Flock amongst many others. This was a typical type of festival back in the day as I recall. But, Maynard Ferguson??? perhaps he was considered on the "Blues" side of the festival
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Wasnt it all blues ?. Some of it though just played in a different way - pushing boundaries if you like.
    Pink Floyd always considered themselves a blues band as far as I remember
    Also as I remember it the genres were not such a big thing back then.

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    Canterbury or Magma didnt have many blues elements.

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    Man, what a line-up. Where is the time machine when you really need it?
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