Post Punk

[PeterG]

I would just like to point out for our non-UK European members (and others unaware) that in the UK, back in the day, the terms post-punk and new wave were interchangeable.
I say this because I know in many Euro lands that the terms punk and new wave were synonymous, which they most certainly weren't in the UK, as the music itself clearly illustrates. I think it was in Germany or Belgium in the 90s, talking in the pub one evening, when a local said "I love all the British punk, Elvis Costello, The Stranglers, Squeeze, Magazine" I explained gently to him that what he loved was British new wave/post-punk not punk.

[NogbadTheBad]

I always thought The Stranglers were considered punk in the UK? Clearly not SLF, Clash, The Damned, Pistols, punk but still part of the scene. I always thought Rattus through The Raven were punk albums. I was in the North of England as a teenager in the late 70's so wasn't as clued in to what was going on in London.

[adap2it]

I always thought The Stranglers were considered punk in the UK? Clearly not SLF, Clash, The Damned, Pistols, punk but still part of the scene. I always thought Rattus through The Raven were punk albums. I was in the North of England as a teenager in the late 70's so wasn't as clued in to what was going on in London.

Regarding the Stranglers...not really punk music, but a punk attitude. I consider Rattus thru' The Raven to be their most proggy releases, and also my favorites...

[jazz2896]

If one were to dive into Wire, which would be a better starting point, 154 or Chairs Missing?

[Phlakaton]

How about early Police? Some of their early instrumentals have that punky-yet-proggy slant to them.

and Klark Kent is a good time too. BTW - how the hell do you digest all this, Ian? You must have about 5 new ones a week. haha.

[NogbadTheBad]

and Klark Kent is a good time too. BTW - how the hell do you digest all this, Ian? You must have about 5 new ones a week. haha.

Just bought my 40th album of the year so that's about 2 a week, yes I know I have a problem, but its not heroin, its not child porn. Absorbing it all is an issue, I'm trying to manage my ability to give it all the necessary time without neglecting the stuff I already have. The searching, buying and listening is still very enjoyable so I just have to watch myself.

[Rye-Ergot]

I always thought The Stranglers were considered punk in the UK? Clearly not SLF, Clash, The Damned, Pistols, punk but still part of the scene. I always thought Rattus through The Raven were punk albums. I was in the North of England as a teenager in the late 70's so wasn't as clued in to what was going on in London.

Totally accurate. They did get some flak from some of the punk community for being bandwagon jumpers, but just as many if not more old school punks would say they were a punk band. The new wave status happened after The Raven, specifically when Golden Brown hit the charts.

[Phlakaton]

Just bought my 40th album of the year so that's about 2 a week, yes I know I have a problem, but its not heroin, its not child porn. Absorbing it all is an issue, I'm trying to manage my ability to give it all the necessary time without neglecting the stuff I already have. The searching, buying and listening is still very enjoyable so I just have to watch myself.

That one was directed at the other Ian but I didnt make it clear. Haha. Good response though. :P I too love the search... been a long time since I got to do a record store run and dig. I miss that. Now one less store in NYC I hear too! Bugger.

[NogbadTheBad]

That one was directed at the other Ian but I didnt make it clear. Haha. Good response though. :P I too love the search... been a long time since I got to do a record store run and dig. I miss that. Now one less store in NYC I hear too! Bugger.

I thought it might be the other one but what the hell

[polmico]

If one were to dive into Wire, which would be a better starting point, 154 or Chairs Missing?

154.

[The Dark Elf]

Post punk?

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[PeterG]

I always thought The Stranglers were considered punk in the UK?

Good God no! JJ got quite violent and verbal to more than one journo for calling them a punk band. For starters punk bands didn't have keyboards, nor did they have seasoned musicians, nor did they employ complex piano music and intricate melodies in their songs, and rarely did they include instrumentals on their albums.

[Svetonio]

Musically, punk-rock that occurred in 1976 was re-packaged British pub-rock and the U.S. garage rock; only new thing was that ugly fashion regards the clothes and hairdress.
It had an energy, but similarly as it was the case with already mentioned pub-rock, that raw energy of punk-rock was difficult to be captured on vinyl, and post-punk with its synths and / or more artistic aesthetic was way more suitable for the studio recording. That breakthrough moment for post-punk was when Guy Stevens ingeniously produced London Calling by Clash.



London Calling was "Sgt Peppers" for the movement.

[PeterG]

UK Punk Rock in 76 was basically a stripped down reworking & mixing of late 50s rock n roll and early 70s pub rock, by 77 its first flush was all over. And in 78 that original handful of UK punk bands had either split or had developed into new wave bands, adding ska, white reggae, hard rock, keyboards and good melodies.