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    Joe Satriani with album Shockwave Supernova as an artist not on ProgArchives

    I am dumbfounded that Joe Satriani is not listed on progarchives, none of his albums are, this makes no sense to me.
    Common, if you have Iron Maiden listen on P.A. one would most certainly think Satriani would be listed even more so, but he is not! I have no idea why, maybe because no one thought to recommend him on P.A., no idea however even posting this to me feels a bit ridiculous really.
    Satriani certainly does not fit in general Rock music or other genres except prog rock. He really should be listed on P.A., what is your opinion in regards to this?

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    You get a virtuoso playing moozik and people look at it with a stern quiet smile, meanwhile a cross over prog band plays and people's smile icons go over the top with yay best thing they ever heard and rock big time on......

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    Joe makes some great instrumental Rock music, but it isn't quite Fusion and it's not Symph either, so he is in music limbo
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    Joe makes some great instrumental Rock music, but it isn't quite Fusion and it's not Symph either, so he is in music limbo
    Exactly, he is certainly not mainstream rock nor mainstream cross over prog, no brainer really

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    Al Diola is on ProgArchives, well deserved just as much Joe Satriani deserves to be on there too. I can't understand why we are even discussing this really, because this makes no sense at all.

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    Haven't heard this one yet (from your raving praise, I definitely will) but the last one Unstoppable Momentum is really, really good. As for the progressive labels, I can't figure out the thought patterns of the average progfan. Male menopause?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arabicadabra View Post
    Haven't heard this one yet (from your raving praise, I definitely will) but the last one Unstoppable Momentum is really, really good. As for the progressive labels, I can't figure out the thought patterns of the average progfan. Male menopause?
    hahahahaha!!! Aribicadabra, hahaha you make me laugh now the things you said hahaha you see! Exactly my point of view, he should be the king of prog in every single sense as he does not fit anywhere else too big hug to you xxx

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    OH NO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    OH NO!
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonia_Mota View Post
    I am dumbfounded that Joe Satriani is not listed on progarchives, none of his albums are, this makes no sense to me.
    Common, if you have Iron Maiden listen on P.A. one would most certainly think Satriani would be listed even more so, but he is not! I have no idea why, maybe because no one thought to recommend him on P.A., no idea however even posting this to me feels a bit ridiculous really.
    Satriani certainly does not fit in general Rock music or other genres except prog rock. He really should be listed on P.A., what is your opinion in regards to this?
    Satriani is a shredder and he's been considered (a few times?) before (AFAICRemember), but most likely turned down by the specialist teams. Of what I know of his works (mainly the first four albums), I can understand why he wouldn't have his full-blown prog category PA spot, unless in sub-prog category like Prog-Related (as is Iron Maiden , BTW)


    Quote Originally Posted by Sonia_Mota View Post
    Al Diola is on ProgArchives, well deserved just as much Joe Satriani deserves to be on there too. I can't understand why we are even discussing this really, because this makes no sense at all.
    ADM is mainly there (PA) on the account of his RTF albums and his first three or four albums.

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    OH NO!
    exactly!!! The free world is about the crumble. The occidental way of like is at great danger.
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    I really like this new album of his. For me it's his best in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonia_Mota View Post
    I am dumbfounded that Joe Satriani is not listed on progarchives, none of his albums are, this makes no sense to me.
    Common, if you have Iron Maiden listen on P.A. one would most certainly think Satriani would be listed even more so, but he is not! I have no idea why, maybe because no one thought to recommend him on P.A., no idea however even posting this to me feels a bit ridiculous really.
    Satriani certainly does not fit in general Rock music or other genres except prog rock. He really should be listed on P.A., what is your opinion in regards to this?
    Joe won't be added unless he records some straight-up fusion like Chris Poland (who is in the Archive). Other great players, like Ronnie Montrose, aren't in the Archive. Ronnie's more deserving than Joe, IMO.

    Iron Maiden is filed under "Prog Related" and that's fine, since they flirt with but don't outright indulge a prog ethos.

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    No idea why a discussion about whether or not an artist should be added to PA is going on here.
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    A PE member is on this album, did you know that? The amazing Mr Keneally!

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    Well just the opening tune on the last one, rocking out in 5 while Vinnie Coliauta goes nuts, is enough for my vote for prog. Plus the song Lies And Truth is pretty out there too. I think I'll put together a short list of proggy Satch songs....



    Quote Originally Posted by Sonia_Mota View Post
    hahahahaha!!! Aribicadabra, hahaha you make me laugh now the things you said hahaha you see! Exactly my point of view, he should be the king of prog in every single sense as he does not fit anywhere else too big hug to you xxx

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    certainly, if Iron Maiden is "prog related" then Ronnie Montrose and Satch should be categorized as such
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arabicadabra View Post
    Well just the opening tune on the last one, rocking out in 5 while Vinnie Coliauta goes nuts, is enough for my vote for prog. Plus the song Lies And Truth is pretty out there too. I think I'll put together a short list of proggy Satch songs....
    Really? So if an artist has 10% of his catalog which qualifies as Progressive Rock, and 90% which would be categorized as something else, you would still consider him to be a Progressive Rock artist?

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    I haven't listened to enough Satriani, so I can't comment much on the OP, but the stuff I heard back in the 80s or whenever wasn't Progressive Rock. I recall the mags had a designation for artists like Satriani, Vinnie Moore, etc, but I can't recall what it was.
    Anyway, I'd advise just ignoring ProgArchives genre/sub-genre categories altogether, as they're too much of a train wreck to take seriously.

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    Hey Miles Davis is on PA as a Prog Artist for his Fusion stuff but you then get Kind Of Blue gets rated as the 28th best prog album of all time. Let's just say there is some quirkiness and people shouldn't take it too seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    Really? So if an artist has 10% of his catalog which qualifies as Progressive Rock, and 90% which would be categorized as something else, you would still consider him to be a Progressive Rock artist?
    isn't Yes' catalog about 30% Prog and 70% Pop Rock?
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Not to mention Genesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    isn't Yes' catalog about 30% Prog and 70% Pop Rock?
    I think Yes made 3 great albums, and the rest you can have. I haven't even listened to much of their latter work, so I can't answer your question. However, I tend to think of bands' output in album form, not individual tracks. It's the preponderance of the catalog that determines the genre, so if you could show conclusively (and I doubt you can,) that the majority of Yes' output is PopRock and not Progressive Rock, then I would say that they should not be classified as a Progressive Rock band. People want to know what your college Major was. Nobody cares about what you Minored in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    Not to mention Genesis.
    I am familiar with all of their catalog, and to suggest that the majority of their catalog is PopRock is silly, imo. Studio albums go 9 Prog-Rock to 5 PopRock by my reckoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    I am familiar with all of their catalog, and to suggest that the majority of their catalog is PopRock is silly, imo. Studio albums go 9 Prog-Rock to 5 PopRock by my reckoning.
    Ok I admit I was being silly, but I see it closer to 50:50 and personally lost interest after Lamb. Don't they have 15 studio albums?
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    Well if the stuff you heard back in the 80s means the singles (i.e., Satch Boogie, The Crush Of Love, Big Bad Moon, etc.) then sure. Even designated "Prog" artists from the 70s often had singles that weren't progressive. But I can easily make a case for half - or "HAHFFF" as Bernie Mack says in Bad Santa - of his output being deemed progressive. Just my opinion, though


    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    I haven't listened to enough Satriani, so I can't comment much on the OP, but the stuff I heard back in the 80s or whenever wasn't Progressive Rock. I recall the mags had a designation for artists like Satriani, Vinnie Moore, etc, but I can't recall what it was.
    Anyway, I'd advise just ignoring ProgArchives genre/sub-genre categories altogether, as they're too much of a train wreck to take seriously.

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