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    The Flyers basically paid Arizona to take Shane Gosthisbehere, trading him and two picks for......nothing.

    Gotta love that cap space, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSly View Post
    Understandable, on paper it appears that the Red Wings got the better end of the deal.
    One of those times we should be thankful that Yzerman replaced Holland (who is now in the process of trading for 90 year old players and deconstructing the Oilers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    The Flyers basically paid Arizona to take Shane Gosthisbehere, trading him and two picks for......nothing.

    Gotta love that cap space, I guess.
    It's sad that that's the way sports is nowadays. I love Gosthisbehere and imagine most Philly fans did too. It's just a shame that fans can't form attachments to players any more. Like Seinfeld says, we're just rooting for laundry.
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    NHL has gone to crap. The cap is just insanity. Owners demanding caps, then paying top dollars to top accounting minds so they can circumvent the rules they demanded. lol

    The playoffs have become a joke...a caricature of what Canadians think the play offs should be. Call it sour grapes about my leafs, i really don't care. i know I'm right, and so does everybody else. The league promotes young stars like McDavid, McKinnon, Matthews etc...they sell all the tickets for all the regular season, and then watch them exit every year because they aren't man enough, not tough enough, chokers etc. Yeah, if a guy cross checks you in the head, you are bad for responding...YOU are undisciplined, not the guy who cross checked you in the head. Only in the NHL. So the Leafs get lambasted for being chokers, failures, etc. But just because Colorado won a round before falling to the tougher Knights, doesn't make it any different than it was for Toronto or Edmonton for that matter. People stick up for it, but every year McKinnon and Mcdavid are on the coffee cups and cereal boxes. They pump up skill players, and are happy to watch them depart at the most important time of the year, when you want to be showcasing skill. And then we're happy to call them chickens, not man enough, no killer instinct, no guts. lol (at least thats what you hear around here about the Leafs) If you guys liked watching the New jersey Islanders, the habs, vegas that's cool. If you preferred watching Columbus that year they beat the high flying bolts, thats cool. Me, I would rather watch skill players doing their thing with out being in 50 scrums per game and being cross checked in the back 75 times a game. Unfortunately it doesn't work in NHL, the missed calls against the Leafs alone make me want to give up the game completely. Hey, gimme a hot goalie, and refs that don't call anything, and we can beat anybody. If we have to play hockey, we can't.

    Think about this: name me one other league or professional sport, where the adage is that skilled players aren't what you need come playoffs? Ever heard the phrase "it's not the ronaldos, and Messis who win you cups, it's the grinders" "It's not the tom bradys and drew brees that wins super bowls, it's the guys on the punt cover team" In what other league does a team break records in regular season, then lose 4 straight to the 8th place team, and turn around and say "we're too skillful, we have to change". I mean really think about it, it's madness. Did you like the hockey in the olympics? The 87 canada cup? WHY don't hockey fans demand to see the same thing in play offs? why does it have to be about physically out lasting your opponent in a lawless environment?

    Until they change, the regular season is 82 games of absolutely meaningless hockey, other than making it to the play offs. But how do you get points in regular season, and yet still be "built for playoffs" Yes Tampa Bay and Vegas have it figured out. Congrats. One got given a stacked team, and the other circumvented cap. LOL Success!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lino View Post
    I would rather watch skill players doing their thing with out being in 50 scrums per game and being cross checked in the back 75 times a game.
    I agree with everything Lino says, but especially this.
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    That's a lotta drama there, Lino

    I love watching the skilled players, but I also love the scrums. Both get the buildings jumpin' and juices flowin'! I do agree that the crosschecks were definitely as brutal as I've seen in a long time...and often uncalled.
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    I'd also like to add that I already miss Kathryn Tappen
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    Two things -

    re: Lino 3:16 above
    While I cannot disagree logically, especially with the manner in which it was laid out, especially the non call refereeing - I must confess to emotionally liking the NHL playoffs for the sameo reasons cited as detrimental.

    I would also add that 82 games is too much and would be happy with 66 or so and slightly more playoffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lino View Post
    NHL has gone to crap. The cap is just insanity. Owners demanding caps, then paying top dollars to top accounting minds so they can circumvent the rules they demanded. lol
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    There is a lot to unpack here, but this is just my two cents. The NHL has always been like this. Itís better now then it used to be. Just check out the 2 time cup winning Broad Street Bullies of the Ď70ís. Beat the crap out of everyone. Scrums after every whistle. Bench clearing brawls every other game. Or the 1993 playoffs when Dale Hunter took out Pierre Turgeon while he was celebrating a goal. There are tons of examples. These just stick out in the early morning hours. Fights too are way down compared to what they used to be. Itís way cleaner now.

    The nonsense in front of the net after the whistle grinds my gears. Again, much less than it used to be. The crosschecking too has got to called more. Too many players have had their careers cut short because of it.

    On the other end it drives me crazy when a team gets scored on repeatedly because they are out of position. The Islanders under Capuano and Weight are a way different team then the Isles under Trotz. Some people like the wide open but defensively suspect hockey but I donít. Barzal went from an 80 point scorer per season to a 60 point scorer. But Isles gave up 100 less goals in Trotz first season and they were a better team with the same players and the loss of their best player, John Tavares.

    Anyway, the cap rules that they play with during the season should apply to the playoffs. The calls that arenít made in the 3rd period has gotten better but still has a ways to go. A penalty in the 1st should be a penalty in the 3rd.

    And why didnít Vegas have to lose a player in the Expansion draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dark Elf View Post
    It's even better drinking the bitter tears of Canes fans. Boy, are they upset at management about this trade.
    I did not realize that he already lives in the Detroit area. I knew he was originally from Ohio so is a midwestern boy, but this appears to really work out well for him as his wife and family are already here.

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    [QUOTE=Tangram;1059043.



    On the other end it drives me crazy when a team gets scored on repeatedly because they are out of position. The Islanders under Capuano and Weight are a way different team then the Isles under Trotz. Some people like the wide open but defensively suspect hockey but I donít. Barzal went from an 80 point scorer per season to a 60 point scorer. But Isles gave up 100 less goals in Trotz first season and they were a better team with the same players and the loss of their best player, John Tavares.

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    I have always been the same too. Right now in many aspects, its better than both the 70s and the 90s.

    I hate defensive stoopidity and while I cheered the Lavoilette Isles and the Capezio Jack Isles - the manner in which the current Isles play appeals more to me.

    I am not interested in 5-3 or 6-4 games where it Matador Defense

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
    I have always been the same too. Right now in many aspects, its better than both the 70s and the 90s.

    I hate defensive stoopidity and while I cheered the Lavoilette Isles and the Capezio Jack Isles - the manner in which the current Isles play appeals more to me.

    I am not interested in 5-3 or 6-4 games where it Matador Defense

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    Friends and I used to call it the ďdreaded two goal leadĒ which Capuanoís Isles entered the 3rd period up by two. You knew the game would at least get tied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lino View Post

    Think about this: name me one other league or professional sport, where the adage is that skilled players aren't what you need come playoffs? Ever heard the phrase "it's not the ronaldos, and Messis who win you cups, it's the grinders" "It's not the tom bradys and drew brees that wins super bowls, it's the guys on the punt cover team" In what other league does a team break records in regular season, then lose 4 straight to the 8th place team, and turn around and say "we're too skillful, we have to change". I mean really think about it, it's madness. Did you like the hockey in the olympics? The 87 canada cup? WHY don't hockey fans demand to see the same thing in play offs? why does it have to be about physically out lasting your opponent in a lawless environment?
    Totally agree with you here, Lino.

    Now, imagine believing this, but rooting for the Flyers, where most of the fans here would rather lead the league in penalty minutes than goals scored.
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    Fleury to the Blackhawks. Totally did not see that one coming, especially with the season he had for Vegas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilersfan View Post
    Fleury to the Blackhawks. Totally did not see that one coming, especially with the season he had for Vegas.
    Another trade where Las Vegas received nothing in return, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    Another trade where Las Vegas received nothing in return, correct?
    Just a prospect, plus they get about $7 million in cap space.

    Going to be interesting to see how Fleury handles this. I could see him deciding to report based on how legitimate he thinks Chicago's chances are next year. Or he may simply return.

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    Still pissed VGK didn't get to the Final. Damned power play killed us all season long and as Fleury got the trophy it sure as hell wasn't his fault. The last two seasons VGK went on scoring droughts that ruined them and for the life of me, fix the damned power play. Pacioretty is a sniper but it seems he's the only one with a consistent shot on the PP. He's also prone to pipes, not good.

    The cap hit us hard last season with both goalies and less defensemen so I guess he had to go. Not sure what I think of Lehner, he better step up his game as the expectations here are to win it all. We signed Martinez to a deal so that's a good thing as most of our guys are locked up for a few years.

    See what happens but I'd so love a parade here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
    I have always been the same too. Right now in many aspects, its better than both the 70s and the 90s.

    I hate defensive stoopidity and while I cheered the Lavoilette Isles and the Capezio Jack Isles - the manner in which the current Isles play appeals more to me.

    I am not interested in 5-3 or 6-4 games where it Matador Defense

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    Agree completely. Always pulled for the Isles but Jacks Isles were especially tough to watch at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLoony View Post
    Still pissed VGK didn't get to the Final. Damned power play killed us all season long and as Fleury got the trophy it sure as hell wasn't his fault. The last two seasons VGK went on scoring droughts that ruined them and for the life of me, fix the damned power play. Pacioretty is a sniper but it seems he's the only one with a consistent shot on the PP. He's also prone to pipes, not good.

    The cap hit us hard last season with both goalies and less defensemen so I guess he had to go. Not sure what I think of Lehner, he better step up his game as the expectations here are to win it all. We signed Martinez to a deal so that's a good thing as most of our guys are locked up for a few years.

    See what happens but I'd so love a parade here.
    Huge roll of the dice to get rid of Fleury but Lehner is the real deal. If Vegas fixes the PP, send the secret to the Islanders. 😀

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    Huge roll of the dice to get rid of Fleury but Lehner is the real deal. If Vegas fixes the PP, send the secret to the Islanders. 😀
    I got so seriously fed up with the PP by the end of the season that I figured it would bite us in the ass in the playoffs and yeah, I was right but so were many others who noticed the same thing. It doesn't need to get much better, give me middle of the pack or better, but it doesn't matter how good a team, with that crappy a PP, just ain't a gonna win it all.

    As far as the secret, I think it's score more goals when you are on the bloody advantage! So, so frustrating to watch.
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    re: PP secret

    The issue as I view it:. Players need to stop passing up a "better than avg" shot opportunity (e.g. Barzal) to instead attempt a "significantly worse %" pass that only if successful (low% again) would lead to an "A Grade" shot opp (which is still not 100% surety) (e.g. Vasilevskiy)

    More shots, more rebounds, more panic for the D.
    Yes blocking shots is more prevalent now which may have led to this general league wide PP malaise of looking for the perfect pass; but still....

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    Rangers acquire Ryan Reaves from VGK. Apparently, Chris Drury didn't consider watching Tom Wilson ragdoll Artemi Panarin one of last season's highlights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by headcrash View Post
    Rangers acquire Ryan Reaves from VGK. Apparently, Chris Drury didn't consider watching Tom Wilson ragdoll Artemi Panarin one of last season's highlights.
    I love it. Only gave up a 3rd so basically this is Howden for Reaves. The 'soft' issue has definitely addressed . Not to mention that now, on paper, we finally have a 4th line that can wreak havoc like the Isles.

    So many moves!! Philly comes to mind with a completely revamped defense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klonk View Post
    I love it. Only gave up a 3rd so basically this is Howden for Reaves. The 'soft' issue has definitely addressed . Not to mention that now, on paper, we finally have a 4th line that can wreak havoc like the Isles.

    So many moves!! Philly comes to mind with a completely revamped defense...
    I think it was Panarin who got rag dolled by Wilson at the end of the season. Reeves definitely fills a hole. Good move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangram View Post
    I think it was Panarin who got rag dolled by Wilson at the end of the season. Reeves definitely fills a hole. Good move.
    Yeah...he and Ross the Boss are cut from the same cloth. I think our 4th lines are going to be having some pretty epic battles!
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