Non-British 'Canterbury'

[yoyiceu]

Not to forget Volaré from the US.

[No Pride]

Not to forget Volaré from the US.

I figured somebody would mention them sooner or later, but to be honest, I thought the musicianship was kind of subpar (at least on the debut, which is the only one I've heard). It was one of several albums I was disappointed with when I first learned of prog's "resurgence" and went on a bit of a mad buying spree. Just one guy's opinion and as always, ymmv.

[Phlakaton]

I figured somebody would mention them sooner or later, but to be honest, I thought the musicianship was kind of subpar (at least on the debut, which is the only one I've heard). It was one of several albums I was disappointed with when I first learned of prog's "resurgence" and went on a bit of a mad buying spree. Just one guy's opinion and as always, ymmv.

Shame on me! I'm friends with Patrick (keyboardist) and saw them play live - not amazing players but still - very good and they certainly had the flavor! I still throw on both their albums from time to time - and some live stuff I have on cassette still.

[zutul]

Rayuela from Argentina had strong Caravan influence, Pataphonie and Rhesus O from France as well as the first Magma album.
Kultivator from Sweden, Musica Urbana's first album Om from Spain too, Dedalus first album and Rocky's Filj, Zingale and Sheshet from israel, Pantheon - Orion
Vangelis - Dragon, Cornocupia, Wolfgang Dauner, Eilif, Annexus Quam, Zao, Clearlight, Joel Dugrenot Ame Son, Secret Oyster and Lagger Blues Machine

[NogbadTheBad]

I always thought of Zao & Kultivator as more zeuhly than Canterbury-ish. Secret Oyster are more jazz fusion aren't they?

[Scrotum Scissor]

Also, Cos and Pazop from Belgium, and Brainstorm from Germany.

As for Belgian Canterburians, it all comes pretty much together with the sole Abraxis album from 1976 - featuring folks from Waterloo, Cos, Pazop, Placebo, Kandahar and Esperanto:

(note: I wouldn't usually post an entire album from YT, but this one is a BITCH to get by in "real" life, so here it goes)

[Mr.Krautman]

I would add TRAVELLING "Voici La Nuit Tombée" (France) and PAZOP's only record (from Belgium,already mentioned) is a true Canterbury masterpiece.

[alanterrill]

I thought the Vorticists first album 'Show' was very Caravan like:
https://thevorticists.bandcamp.com/track/organism

[Scrotum Scissor]

TRAVELLING "Voici La Nuit Tombée"

I really like that one, although it DOES tend to get a bit too Wyatt'y in places, just like the Cocktail album by Forgas. Like that one too, tho'.

Of Italian bands, Picchio dal Pozzo are the top ace example; their debut being the most overt 'Canterish' (although Abbiamo is actually one of my very fave albums overall). But there's also the Maad record, the wonderful Gramigna and not least the first Dedalus, all displaying different aspects and levels of *some* Canterbury influence.

I rather enjoy The Uncertainty Principle by Volare´. Spanish band Amoeba Split display some 'vintage Canterbury' influence as well.

[Progbear]

Sloche has that NH vibe, at least to my ears. Possibly also Edition Spéciale, who had a Canterbury connection via vibes/marimba player Mireille Bauer (ex-Gong), who had an extended guest appearance on their third album.

Glad to see someone else mention Kultivator. They were one of the first bands to spring to mind (alongside Supersister, Brainstorm, MGP, PDP, etc.).

I always thought of Zao & Kultivator as more zeuhly than Canterbury-ish.

Where are people hearing “zeuhl” in the Kultivator album? It’s so totally Hatfield! (with some Swedish folk sounds thrown in.)

[pb2015]

Where are people hearing “zeuhl” in the Kultivator album? It’s so totally Hatfield! (with some Swedish folk sounds thrown in.)

I used to own the Kultivator CD. I remember a bit of Magma but a lot of National Health in it.

[nosebone]

Also Shampoo, from Belgium.

[zravkapt]

Where are people hearing “zeuhl” in the Kultivator album? It’s so totally Hatfield! (with some Swedish folk sounds thrown in.)

Mainly the bass and the vocals, although the vocals are equally Northette-ish.

[bill g]

Well right now 'Hatfield & The North' is probably my favorite band of all time if I had to pick one, and so there is nothing quite like them, but a few that venture into Canterbury territory:

the new Thieves' Kitchen (Clockwork Universe) is very much in that vein and very enjoyable
Island - Pictures, at times. They had moments of meh, but even more moments of brilliance on that album, particularly in the title track. Not quite Canterbury, but... close
Mr. Sirius - Barren Dream. 'All The Fallen People' is about the best Canterburyesque tracks not from the UK I've ever heard.

Some hints of it in Ske, perhaps even Kenso, and the aforementioned Sloche.

[zutul]

I always thought of Zao & Kultivator as more zeuhly than Canterbury-ish. Secret Oyster are more jazz fusion aren't they?

Zao's later albums has a very pronounced Soft Machine vibe, I never saw Kultivator as Zehul they are clearly more influenced from Hatfield, than let's say Magma.
As for Secret Oyster their first album sounds very much like early Nucleus, they played jazz-rock but never fusion.
Another one I forgot to mention is Eberhard Weber in paticular his Colors era.

[Scrotum Scissor]

right now 'Hatfield & The North' is probably my favorite band of all time if I had to pick one, and so there is nothing quite like them

There was never anything quite like Hatfield. IMO they were The Beatles of the Canterbury sound. They are one of the very, very few bands I ever heard that hit hard instantly and then just endured in head & heart. I'll never tire of them, and they never cease to amaze, surprise or teach me anew. The concept of "working on multiple levels" has attained such an aura of clichè about it, but with HatN this is the exact case.

[mx20]

There was never anything quite like Hatfield. IMO they were The Beatles of the Canterbury sound. They are one of the very, very few bands I ever heard that hit hard instantly and then just endured in head & heart. I'll never tire of them, and they never cease to amaze, surprise or teach me anew. The concept of "working on multiple levels" has attained such an aura of clichè about it, but with HatN this is the exact case.

Well sprake. +1.

[happytheman]

Sudden Dusk was their debut, with the followup (Calling) their only Cuneiform release. The latter is good, the former great - IMHO, of course. Fine band indeed. They were part of the same Washington D.C. group of bands which also spawned The Muffins, Grits and eventually Happy the Man.

Other interesting US 'Canterburians' of that period were Radio Piece III and Master Cylinder.

Not sure where Mars Everywhere fits into this discussion.. they were one of those bands when I found the album (Industrial Sabotage) I simply took one look at the cover and said.. "This looks interesting".. Never have found that album in CD format...
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[Steve F.]

I went to a party on Saturday given by one of the main guys in Mars Everywhere. He's my oldest friend who I still sometimes see (Ernie Falcone).

They were part of the DC scene and Ernie was a part of Random Radar, but there's no Canterbury in their sound what-so-ever. (imo)

You never found it on CD because it was never released on CD.

[happytheman]

I went to a party on Saturday given by one of the main guys in Mars Everywhere. He's my oldest friend who I still sometimes see (Ernie Falcone).

They were part of the DC scene and Ernie was a part of Random Radar, but there's no Canterbury in their sound what-so-ever. (imo)

You never found it on CD because it was never released on CD.

You gotta admit they were a bit out of the mainstream though..

[flytomars]

I see that people are debating whether some zeuhl bands are actually canterbury, which makes me wonder-
Am I the only one that considers most of the first Magma album as canterbury?

[Scrotum Scissor]

Am I the only one that considers most of the first Magma album as canterbury?

Although you can easily discern the Soft Machine influence at play, I'd say they were more akin to a European C.T.A. than really 'Canterbury'. Of course, stuff like "Stoäh" already had the Zeuhl machine running.

The first Vortex album was far more of a Canterbury-wannabe record than the debut Magma, IMO. The second Vortex leaves terra firma altogether, though.

[yoyiceu]

I figured somebody would mention them sooner or later, but to be honest, I thought the musicianship was kind of subpar (at least on the debut, which is the only one I've heard). It was one of several albums I was disappointed with when I first learned of prog's "resurgence" and went on a bit of a mad buying spree. Just one guy's opinion and as always, ymmv.

Really, I was just responding to the original query about naming non-British Canterburian styled bands, without making any critical evaluation. Although, to be sure, I do like them very much.

[Phlakaton]

There was never anything quite like Hatfield. IMO they were The Beatles of the Canterbury sound. They are one of the very, very few bands I ever heard that hit hard instantly and then just endured in head & heart. I'll never tire of them, and they never cease to amaze, surprise or teach me anew. The concept of "working on multiple levels" has attained such an aura of clichè about it, but with HatN this is the exact case.

Agreed 100%... and losing count of how many times I've listen to the first H&tN - I had it on a few months ago on a walk - it hit me in the head AGAIN... holy shit is this stuff amazing. It was like I'd never heard it before - An strange mood I was in from the weather that day? Anyway... very few albums are able to come at you from so many subtle angles.

[Trane]

As for Belgian Canterburians, it all comes pretty much together with the sole Abraxis album from 1976 - featuring folks from Waterloo, Cos, Pazop, Placebo, Kandahar and Esperanto:

(note: I wouldn't usually post an entire album from YT, but this one is a BITCH to get by in "real" life, so here it goes)

Not sure I would call Esperanto Canterbury (though the rest of those bands have a Canter-facet), but in that list Recreation is definitely Kent-ish

Also Shampoo, from Belgium.

not IMHO, but colours & tastes...