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    Opening up to new music

    With all the 5.1 remixes and remasters that have come out in the last few years, it always makes me wonder how many times will you buy the same music. I have many albums that I bought again when CDs came out. I have also bought remasters of my favorites, or when there was going to be a big improvement in the sound.

    Lately, as much as I love the classics, I would rather spend the money on new releases and artists. There is so much music out there, and I listen to a lot of different music. I have always tried to find new artists, and I think that is where my money will be spent. Of course, when my favorite bands release something new, I will be first in line to buy. But as for all the remastered stuff, unless the recording I have is horrible, I think I'll pass.

    I know these artists are not necessarily new, but Marbin and Mats/Morgan are two new artists I have just purchased and they are blowing me away.

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    Isnt it a bit about chosing between collecting or enjoying?

    Unless you budget is huge, your time is unlimited, your house is enormous and your wife is very understanding

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    Time and money are the real issues for me. When I was young I'd buy around 2 lp's each week. Now it's maybe 5 or 6 new cd's a year.

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    I buy a lot more new music than I do rebuying stuff I already have though there are artists like Crimson and Oldfield where I seem to rebuy regularly
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    I'm kind of done with buying the umpteenth version of 70's classics
    I may not have the ultimate sounding version of those classic albums, because sometimes I stopped with those early 00's remastered version victim of loudness wars, but there is no (almost) way I'll be rebuying them once more, not even if they have the ultimate bonus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fracktured View Post
    Time and money are the real issues for me. When I was young I'd buy around 2 lp's each week. Now it's maybe 5 or 6 new cd's a year.
    I'd say that time and space have been my limitations in the last decade.
    Trouble is that once I indulged heavily about 8/10 years ago (and bought everything I wanted from previous decades, nowadays, if I buy 20 albums/year of recent music (I may actually reach that alount this year), I tend to think it's a very good vintage year.

    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    I buy a lot more new music than I do rebuying stuff I already have though there are artists like Crimson and Oldfield where I seem to rebuy regularly
    mmmhhh!!!... I've once estimated I bought around 8000 albums (though I don't think I've had more than 2000 of them in my collection at any time), plus heard about that many in the 25 years I've been back in Europe via library system
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eporter66 View Post

    Lately, as much as I love the classics, I would rather spend the money on new releases and artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    I'm kind of done with buying the umpteenth version of 70's classics
    I may not have the ultimate sounding version of those classic albums, because sometimes I stopped with those early 00's remastered version victim of loudness wars, but there is no (almost) way I'll be rebuying them once more, not even if they have the ultimate bonus.
    I came to this same conclusion pretty quickly after getting some of the first Yes and Genesis remasters. To me, they didn't sound way better than the CD versions I had, and a lot of the audio freaks claim the older versions are so much better. I went back tried a direct comparison on a few, and I can't say the differences were sufficient for me to pick one or the other. Which told me I'm not an audiophile and that I should stop bothering with remasters. Don't think I've bought one since 2000, unless it was a remaster of an album I don't have.

    So ALL my purchases are of music that is new to me, and mostly music that is new, though I do still buy some older stuff that I've only recently discovered or has just come out on CD.

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    Yeah, I'm with you. Would rather have 'new' or 'new to me' music than endless reissues.

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    Another new or "new to me" buyer here.

    I live too much in the past already, just by being a fan of this stuff, and of such other legacy musics as current NYC jazz and 20th-21st Century classical music. Should I listen mostly to 40-year-old music as well? I can at least keep up with the present of those legacies. And while I know perfectly well that the present and any foreseeable future of music are a million sub-sub-subgenres of hip-hop and electronic disco, I just cannot develop all that much of an ear for that stuff - the vamps that go nowhere, the been-there-heard-that funk licks, the sound effects that substitute for musical development, and the THUD! THUD! THUD! that stands in for rhythm.

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    I have only ever bought one remaster/remix for the reason that it was a remaster/remix. That was the remix of A Curious Feeling. In that particular case I had always felt that the mix was the only thing that let the album down.

    Most of the time I do not trust myself to notice the difference. If I am already thorooughly enjoying something and don't notice any production faults, why should I buy a reissue? Especially when there is so much other music out there that I don't yet own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    I came to this same conclusion pretty quickly after getting some of the first Yes and Genesis remasters. To me, they didn't sound way better than the CD versions I had, and a lot of the audio freaks claim the older versions are so much better. I went back tried a direct comparison on a few, and I can't say the differences were sufficient for me to pick one or the other. Which told me I'm not an audiophile and that I should stop bothering with remasters. Don't think I've bought one since 2000, unless it was a remaster of an album I don't have.

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    Well, I was probably a little longer in taking that decision (for Genesis or Crimson anyway, Yes posed me less hesitations), since after acquiring the remasters, I did buy the green boxset and some Crimson 40th Anniv reissues but mainly because of the video contents.

    Otherwise, once I had the mini-Lp versions, I was set.

    Sure I'd have loved to have Happy The Man on NC, Alehouse on Foxtrot, Groon on Poseidon and Haylett on If I Could Do It Over on these albums, but then again, I don't want all those other bogus bonuses (alt takes, alt mix live versions or single edits)



    Whether I'm wide open to new music is a different issue though, so my answer would be : "meeeehhh... depends"

    Yes, I'm always hungry for new music, but only in certain genres... And all too often not well rewarded in my investigations, despite this direction/restriction of investigation
    For ex, I generally don't have any curiosity for those neo/symph prog bands, so I almost automatically eliminate artistes tagged as such, to avoid waste of energy, time and money in order to concentrate on other genres I have chances to be rewarded.
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    Generally I'm either buying new new music or new old music (i.e. new to me).

    The only real exception is where the original production was unlistenably bad and that is supposed to be fixed. Have considered getting the SW version of Relayer on that basis. Though I haven't actually done so, as the lure of the new keeps trumping it.

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    I pretty much second Mascodagama's thoughts.

    I'd rather buy new music than remasters of what I already own. I only have so much time and money. I did buy the Tony Banks box, because of the unreleased material, and the disc that has all the unreleased material I've played twice as much as the other 3 discs combined. But I don't think I'll buy the remasters coming out of all his albums as I already own them, whereas I will definitely be all over his next orchestral album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Isnt it a bit about chosing between collecting or enjoying?
    Not for me. Unlike some, I don't keep multiple versions of the same album (unless they're included together in s box set, à la King Crimson.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Unless you budget is huge, your time is unlimited, your house is enormous and your wife is very understanding
    Well, I live in a two-bedroom condo and, with a recent renovation where I moved all but my ECM recordings and box sets into vinyl sleeves, moved those (in the process of alphabetizing) into cd storage boxes capable of holding 360 CDs, and customizing new shelving in my (soundproofed!!) office, I've enough expansion space to cover me the rest of my life. The Blu Rays and Dvds have similarly been moved into sleeves and run in shelving that goes up and around the new stereo and UHD TV, with room for growth, and ditto, enough room for the limited edition and rare books that are the only ones I buy in hard format now (dispensable reads are perfect for my iPad Kindle app. So your house doesn't need to be enormous; you just need to get creative (in our case with the help of a great designer; despite all this media, our home has a very minimal/uncluttered, zen vibe. Check one.

    My wife is a recent music junkie, having discovered a new area of passion. She gets it because she, too, lives it. Check two.

    My budget isn't huge, but between review material and music I but, I petty much can get all I want/need. Check three.

    Time isn't unlimited, but music is s priority - a major one - in my life, so I listen 10-12 hours:day, including when I go to sleep. Check four.

    And while not a completist in the sense of owning ten different versions of Hatfield & the North's The Rotters Club, if I discover an artist I get all of his/her work that appeals to me. Over time, of course. Check five.

    So, you don't need an enormous home (our condo is approx. 1,000 square feet); have an unlimited budget (before I started writing 12 years ago, I managed to keep up with new releases I wanted); or be a completist. But you DO need a wife, husband or partner who gets your pathology. And I consider myself very lucky on that count,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Isnt it a bit about chosing between collecting or enjoying?

    Unless you budget is huge, your time is unlimited, your house is enormous and your wife is very understanding
    I enjoy music immensely, and I also am a musician, so I record and play music. I work out of my house, so music is on all day. My CDs are in constant rotation, and I have my iPod for the car.

    I do collect in terms of my favorite artists, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Camel, King Crimson and so on, I do own most if not all of their studio output, and try to mix in live material. But, the music is not collecting dust, It is enjoyed for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Unless you budget is huge, your time is unlimited, your house is enormous and your wife is very understanding
    This

    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
    Generally I'm either buying new new music or new old music (i.e. new to me).

    The only real exception is where the original production was unlistenably bad and that is supposed to be fixed. Have considered getting the SW version of Relayer on that basis. Though I haven't actually done so, as the lure of the new keeps trumping it.
    And this.

    I bought the early '70s Genesis box because aside from SEbtP, none of those recordings were exactly stellar. Though I have a few issues with how some of it was remixed, they're better sonically and more enjoyable to listen to. I know people generally aren't crazy about Gentle Giant's 35th Anniversary reissues, but I bought the "Playing The Fool" one because I always thought the bass was a bit thin on the original and they did remedy that, so I like it better. But in general, I prefer buying music that's new to me. When I get so familiar with an album that I can play the whole thing in my brain, I tend to not listen to it much anymore, no matter how great it is. I like the element of surprise when listening to music and if I have every note memorized, there's no surprise left. Some folks can listen to an album hundreds of times, but I'm not one of them.

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