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    Esquire addresses the Kamasi phenomenon.
    The latest in a long line of hoped-for jazz saviors. He'll probably move to France, perhaps live next door to David Murray, an earlier tenor who (like his contemporary, Bennie Wallace) was expected to save jazz, and whom Washington reminds me of.
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    Not sure if this is the place or if a new thread would be better, but digging into Washinton's output has lead me to Flying Lotus. Very trippy mix of beats, jazz, electronica and hip hop.
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    a link, please?
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    Any returns on his new album Heaven and Earth.

    it's again a long bugger (double CD and triple vinyl, I think).

    My first reaction since buying it on Sunday is that I'm slightly disappointed with it.
    There is the usual brilliance of The Epic and the Harmony EP, but there are some tracks that really don't hit the spot at all: too much singing (and definitely not my type of singing/vocals in a few tracks) and then some are to spacey/vacuous.

    This is really a first impression, and it's likely to evolve.
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    Have you found the hidden extra record yet?
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    Ephemeral Sun - because I gotta do something about these boxes of CDs in the basement: http://www.ephemeralsun.com

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    Not immediately, but I was wondering why the bloody thing was so thick in cardboard, and why it was so badly glued on the top side. I finally opened it up after this morning and found it. Tricky to get it out without damaging the package.
    But I haven't listened to it yet.
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    He'll be in town onSaturday...Unfortunately I will not...
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    Sorry for resurrecting such an old thread, but seeing as there is no other ongoing Kamasi Washington thread...

    I think that Heaven and Earth is wonderful, to my ears at least. It improves upon The Epic in just about every way, and also sounds more forward-moving than its predecessor. I love the spaciness of disc 2, and the grooviness of disc 1. Enjoyed it so much I picked up the 5-LP vinyl edition from my local record shop.

    My favorites are probably "Connections" and "Vi Lua Vi Sol". What are your favorites guys, if any?

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    To me, H&E is a bit like more of the same of Epic (or the so-called EP Harmony)
    So you might be right that H&E is technically better, but I surely haven't spined it anywhere close to Epic, precisely because of that "already heard elsewhere" reason.

    Are you aware of the hidden third disc on the CD release? (it's hidden inside the back cardboard spine of the package.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    To me, H&E is a bit like more of the same of Epic (or the so-called EP Harmony)
    So you might be right that H&E is technically better, but I surely haven't spined it anywhere close to Epic, precisely because of that "already heard elsewhere" reason.

    Are you aware of the hidden third disc on the CD release? (it's hidden inside the back cardboard spine of the package.)
    Yeah I found the third disc (and the fifth LP, on the vinyl package) early on, after hearing the buzz about it.

    I just connect with the songs on H&E much more than with anything on The Epic. They both share similarities, but I don't think they sound the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    To me, H&E is a bit like more of the same of Epic (or the so-called EP Harmony)
    I agree. After The Epic came out, he was talking about doing something that sounded like it might have been a big band project, and would have sounded considerably different. But he ended up doing something pretty similar, and the freshness of The Epic - one of its strong points, its unusual combination of straight-ahead jazz in the mainstream tradition, funky fusion, and a soundtrack orchestration that gave a What's Goin' On air of importance to the whole work - was, in my opinion, diluted on H&E.

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    Oh well. I wouldn't want him to change drastically; I already liked his style after hearing The Epic. To my ears, H&E feels like a further refinement, with more memorable melodies and themes. Or to put it more simply: it's just good music, period. That's really all I ask for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    Oh well. I wouldn't want him to change drastically; I already liked his style after hearing The Epic. To my ears, H&E feels like a further refinement, with more memorable melodies and themes. Or to put it more simply: it's just good music, period. That's really all I ask for.
    Exactly, with you here!
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    H&E disc 2 is my favorite. Love the melodic spacyness on that one. Its the disc I reach for the most.

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    Exactly, with you here!
    LOVE K.W!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedunno View Post
    H&E disc 2 is my favorite. Love the melodic spacyness on that one. Its the disc I reach for the most.
    Yay!

    I'm right with you on the second disc of H&E. Thematically that's the "heaven" part of Heaven & Earth, so the spaciness makes sense. It's probably my favorite too.

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    Despite the scope/ambition of The Epic Washington remains a "just OK" player imo. YMMV.....
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    I think his greatest ability may be as a producer/conceptualist, a sort of modern-day Creed Taylor. His playing is solid and soulful, but not revolutionary; that goes for his band, too; and the same may be said for his composing. But his real contribution is in the sound of his music, rather than in its specific content: Like Wynton, he reveres the music's history, but unlike Wynton, does not reject its present and recent past; he incorporates Seventies funk/fusion, orchestral R&B, and an indirect hip-hop flavor into the jazz tradition, and does so pretty much seamlessly. He's about adapting and including - and in doing that, he keeps faith with the spirit of the jazz tradition - whereas Wynton was all about excluding music he considered unworthy, and thus was only faithful to the letter of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mogrooves View Post
    Despite the scope/ambition of The Epic Washington remains a "just OK" player imo. YMMV.....
    "just OK"...

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    Looks like I will be seeing Washington next year in Mexico.

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    Should be a good time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polmico View Post
    Looks like I will be seeing Washington next year in Mexico.
    Seen him already six times, so I can skip him once in a while...
    I missed him at the Liège festival last w-e, and I think I will pass when he will be at Couleur Café in Brussels in two weeks...

    One of my fave memories is seeing him play with Shabaka Hutchings (he was with The Ancestors) for two numbers, though I'm not sure the two really hit it off on that occasion (Ghent Jazz Fest in 2016)
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