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    Steven can wait as long as he likes now to remix Songs From the Wood, since I have only just acquired the original!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_32_116 View Post
    ... but on the other hand, is Benefit one that would stand up well with such a remix?
    From 2013

    http://stevenwilsonhq.com/sw/sw-remi...tulls-benefit/

    Steven’s new stereo and surround mixes of Jethro Tull’s classic third album Benefit will be released on 28th October in a 3 disc CD/DVD and single vinyl edition. Also included are new mixes of all single A and B sides from the period, with the exception of The Witch’s Promise for which the multitrack tapes are missing (the original mix is included in both mono and stereo however). No mastering has been done to the remixes, and a flat transfer of the original stereo mix is also included.

    http://audiophilereview.com/audiophi...-sparkles.html

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    Firth, I think you missed bob-32-116's rather subtle joke!

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    Has anyone ever considered that maybe the original mixes where just how the bands, artists, or their hired engineers intended?

    Sometimes it's ok for things to sound blended.... and not every instrument panned and eq'ed then placed into an un natural position in the sound stage is best for the overall experience.

    A cooked soup that blends all the ingredients together sometimes tastes better than each ingredient tasted separately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Has anyone ever considered that maybe the original mixes where just how the bands, artists, or their hired engineers intended?

    Sometimes it's ok for things to sound blended.... and not every instrument panned and eq'ed then placed into an un natural position in the sound stage is best for the overall experience.

    A cooked soup that blends all the ingredients together sometimes tastes better than each ingredient tasted separately.
    Sure.

    The perfect solution is to have both versions available. Of course, that's not usually the case, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Has anyone ever considered that maybe the original mixes where just how the bands, artists, or their hired engineers intended?
    Well in the case of these Steven Wilson remixes, they are commissioned by the artists, so I'm guessing that Fripp, Anderson et al. were less than happy with some of them, and felt they could be improved. Whether you or I find them to be actually improved is of course subjective.
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    I'm with Skullhead on this one actually, though possibly for different reasons. I grew up on the original mixes; that's how I hear those albums and anything else sounds wrong, really. The biggest exception so far has been Relayer, which was such a pile of crap that I can't help but love the clarity of the SW remix. But even there there are balances in the keyboards that vary from the original that drive me nucking futz. OTOH, the remixes are often a fantastic intellectual exercise in hearing music in a fresh way, and to enjoy the possibilities of what could have been in a different time or place for this music. The remixes of Inconsolable Secret were presented in that vein, as a companion to the original mixes, not a replacement. The notion that the old versions are somehow magically more blended, or warm, or whatever though is a misnomer imo. They're merely familiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombywoof View Post
    Stand Up, seriously? Hugely disappointing. I was really excited for Songs from The Wood. Not that Stand Up isn't a good album (it is), but it doesn't seem like it would transfer well to surround, whereas Songs would be perfect. Will be the first Tull remix I pass on.
    For me it is a selfish reason, Songs From the Wood is my favorite Tull. I do have the Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab disc, which I think sounds really good, but would like to hear what SW would do with it. Honestly, I pass on most of these remixes, since many I have on album, CD, remastered CD, and now this? Not sure I can justify buying the same thing over and over - I'd rather hear something new.

    As for the Hackett box - I have everything he has done, and just cant justify the expense. Hope it sells well for him

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    I was talking to a major label sound engineer a few years ago, and he told me that he actually mixes stuff now to sound best on the iphone, mp3 platform.

    I almost vomited, but somehow didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    I was talking to a major label sound engineer a few years ago, and he told me that he actually mixes stuff now to sound best on the iphone, mp3 platform.

    I almost vomited, but somehow didn't.
    Very true, for pop and country. These days that's how most people consume music. Nothing to do with prog and the prog audience though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    I was talking to a major label sound engineer a few years ago, and he told me that he actually mixes stuff now to sound best on the iphone, mp3 platform.

    I almost vomited, but somehow didn't.
    That sounds about right to me on all music except maybe jazz and classical these days.



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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    The notion that the old versions are somehow magically more blended, or warm, or whatever though is a misnomer imo. They're merely familiar.
    I agree 1000%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Very true, for pop and country. These days that's how most people consume music. Nothing to do with prog and the prog audience though.
    I dunno. More and more that's how ALL music is being 'consumed'; at least that's what my physical vs digital sales show and it is not confined to pop, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    Has anyone ever considered that maybe the original mixes where just how the bands, artists, or their hired engineers intended?

    Sometimes it's ok for things to sound blended.... and not every instrument panned and eq'ed then placed into an un natural position in the sound stage is best for the overall experience.

    A cooked soup that blends all the ingredients together sometimes tastes better than each ingredient tasted separately.
    If you read what Ian had Steven do for Benefit, then you would understand that the original stereo mixes were optimized for the equipment people had which didn't have good stereo separation. Therefore, even digital and today's systems don't portray a straight up transfer the way it used to sound. Every live performance is a cooked up sound and what's wrong with the artist wanting to convey his art differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skullhead View Post
    I was talking to a major label sound engineer a few years ago, and he told me that he actually mixes stuff now to sound best on the iphone, mp3 platform.

    I almost vomited, but somehow didn't.
    The iPhone is more of a Apple compression platform, but ITunes does support lossless. Apple has actually given artists tools which require an high res input and allow the artist to avoid saturation in the compression process. So the output is the Apple compressed format which is better that MP3 at the same data rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    I dunno. More and more that's how ALL music is being 'consumed'; at least that's what my physical vs digital sales show and it is not confined to pop, etc.
    Huh, afaik our direct sales still lean very heavy on cd and physical media. At least I don't think many prog bands are consciously mixing for phones and earbuds though there's a project or two I can think of that did pretty well that do have that kind of sound (and were mostly praised for it).

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    ^ ^ ^

    I was speaking of sales, not speaking of specifically mixing for mp3 and earbuds. Sorry for my confusion.
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    As for the Hackett box - I have everything he has done, and just cant justify the expense. Hope it sells well for him
    Even the Live stuff. You gotta think that Live stuff will sound much better than the orig boots, No???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Well in the case of these Steven Wilson remixes, they are commissioned by the artists, so I'm guessing that Fripp, Anderson et al. were less than happy with some of them, and felt they could be improved.
    With Tull and KC SW was definitely in touch with Fripp and Anderson, and I believe that he was probably directly commisssioned by XTC, but I've never heard it said that he was commissioned by the artists for the Yes, ELP, Simple Minds, Hawkwind or Tears For Fears remixes. I'd be very interested to know the process of his becoming involved in each case.

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    I am only interested in remixes where I think there was something deficient with the original. Most of what Wilson has done, I don't feel that is the case. And as I don't have any interest in 5.1 mixes (I find them artificial, I'm a stereo or mono listener) which I suppose are the main selling point of them, that aspect doesn't appeal to me either.

    However I will say he's almost single-handedly revived the surround market. It was basically dead in the water before that, after the whole SACD/DVD-A thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eporter66 View Post

    As for the Hackett box - I have everything he has done, and just cant justify the expense. Hope it sells well for him
    I would/could never buy any of these mega-boxes that are coming out but Steven Wilson's quote in the first post here suggests the Steve Hackett set is doing very well indeed. He had good sales on Wolflight, the GTR Esoteric re-release is selling well (Vicky has confirmed this here) and now this. It does feel like there's a wider audience for his solo work than there was before he did the Genesis Revisited II album and tour, which is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    I am only interested in remixes where I think there was something deficient with the original. Most of what Wilson has done, I don't feel that is the case. And as I don't have any interest in 5.1 mixes (I find them artificial, I'm a stereo or mono listener) which I suppose are the main selling point of them, that aspect doesn't appeal to me either.

    However I will say he's almost single-handedly revived the surround market. It was basically dead in the water before that, after the whole SACD/DVD-A thing.
    I found surround mixes artificial until I got a system with accurate calibration.

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    I found surround mixes artificial until I got a system with accurate calibration.
    Imagine that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    I found surround mixes artificial until I got a system with accurate calibration.
    Good for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by progman1975 View Post
    Even the Live stuff. You gotta think that Live stuff will sound much better than the orig boots, No???
    I have a bunch of live Hackett, plus his live archives he released a few years back. I have enough live material to keep me happy

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