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    King Crimson new "records": forthcoming live album in picture disc and Tour Box

    Hello,
    as some of you might know the good Robert Fripp teased some pretty good new recorded material in the last weeks through his facebook page. In detail:

    1- There seem to be a new Tour Box with (hopefully) different live, alternate and goodies from the 46 years spanning Crimso career.

    box set.jpg

    2- There's going to be a live picture disc record sold only at the 2015 tour venues (and probably, later, through dgmlive and panegyric).

    a side 1.jpg
    a side 2.jpg
    b side.jpg

    Why do I say it's a live album? Because the Tour Box says so, if you zoom on the first picture you can read it yourself.

    So, pretty much who's going to see Crimso on tour this year should bring a lot of pounds or euros with him, because it seems like there's a whole bunch of goodies to take back home, together with the (probably amazing by itself) concert experience! :-)
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    Thanks for the heads up, I hope the picture disc will not be sold elsewhere ~DEVIL~

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    Presumably Fripp wishes to ensure that fans' entire music-buying budgets are spent on King Crimson releases.

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    He luckily (for him, at least) directs a band which rarely produced garbage. Therefore, he can publish whatever and find a huge slice of Crimso fans willing to buy it. Also, they're playing new things thus there can be multiple new live albums as well.
    He sure is a "venal leader" (as he defines himself) but I must admit it must not be easy to rule a career for nearly 50 years without jumping the shark. So I guess he/they deserve (shut up and take) my money.

    That said, I don't own any of the box sets published till now, but being this picture disc on vinyl... well, I cannot avoid buying it, can I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarKco View Post
    He luckily (for him, at least) directs a band which rarely produced garbage. [...]
    He sure is a "venal leader" (as he defines himself) but I must admit it must not be easy to rule a career for nearly 50 years without jumping the shark. So I guess he/they deserve (shut up and take) my money.
    Well, that's one opinion. Personally, I'd say the shark was well and truly jumped in 1982! I mean, I quite like THRAK, but I struggle to see why anyone would want 16-discs of it.

    Anyway, I'm glad King Crimson fans have the option to decide whether to get these releases or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    I'm glad King Crimson fans have the option to decide whether to get these releases or not.
    As am I, Crimhead that I am. I hope there will eventually be a CD release of whatever's on that picdisc.
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    I'm pretty sure there will be, since it's in the list on the left in the first picture. I think that will be the (in)famous "complete live album from 2014 tour" that Jakko is mixing. A shorter version on picture disc available during the tour, a full version in CD after. So the numbs (like me) will buy both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    Well, that's one opinion. Personally, I'd say the shark was well and truly jumped in 1982! I mean, I quite like THRAK, but I struggle to see why anyone would want 16-discs of it.

    Anyway, I'm glad King Crimson fans have the option to decide whether to get these releases or not.

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    What does this 2015 release have to do with 1982? Especially if you liked Thrak (1995)?

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    I said they never jumped the shark, he said they did in 1982.
    Also, the tour box will most likely contain material from the '80s Crimso as well, even though they won't play anything Belewesque in the 2015 tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    What does this 2015 release have to do with 1982? Especially if you liked Thrak (1995)?
    I think the band "jumped the shark" in 1982: that is, I think there is a marked difference in quality between Crimson up to and including Discipline and everything from Beat onwards. That doesn't mean I dislike everything from Beat onwards, there's plenty of good Crimson post-1981, but it is, on average, poorer and less innovative.

    As MarKco said, my shark comment was in response to his belief that the band had never jumped the shark. This was an additional point to my prior discussion of the 2015 release.

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    forthcoming.jpg

    hellhounds.jpg

    As far as I can see zooming, rotating and with a little help from my Gimp, Hell-Hounds of Crim will be one of the songs included in the live album. What will be the others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    I think the band "jumped the shark" in 1982: that is, I think there is a marked difference in quality between Crimson up to and including Discipline and everything from Beat onwards. That doesn't mean I dislike everything from Beat onwards, there's plenty of good Crimson post-1981, but it is, on average, poorer and less innovative.

    As MarKco said, my shark comment was in response to his belief that the band had never jumped the shark. This was an additional point to my prior discussion of the 2015 release.

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    If that's the standard being used, then when did Yes jump the shark - 1973?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    If that's the standard being used, then when did Yes jump the shark - 1973?
    I'm sure different people will have their own opinions on that. I'm comfortable with Steven Sullivan's terminology of the "main sequence" for The Yes Album through to Relayer, although some add Going for the One, but I'm also of the view that Drama and 90125 subsequently are both very significant albums in the band's canon.

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    Nobody asked me, but I must say I agree with bondegezou 100%, except for Crimso of course ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    I'm sure different people will have their own opinions on that. I'm comfortable with Steven Sullivan's terminology of the "main sequence" for The Yes Album through to Relayer, although some add Going for the One, but I'm also of the view that Drama and 90125 subsequently are both very significant albums in the band's canon.

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    Steven Sullivan? Who's that?

    Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding, it just seemed odd for someone to say that that they "quite liked" Thrak, which came out in 1995, and in the same paragraph say that they thought the band jumped the shark in 1982, which would be only one album removed from Thrak. Usually jumping the shark means the end of things that you hold in high esteem.

    However, I guess if I was to use your very high standard of jumping the shark, then I guess I would have to say that Yes jumped in 1973. They made a number of albums after that they I like a lot, but also a bunch that I think aren't very good, and nothing that I think was as good as The Yes Album/Fragile/CTTE.

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    I liked the 90s KC better than the 80s KC, but wouldn't really say that they ever JTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    Steven Sullivan? Who's that?
    Steve is a long-time Yes fan and now runs ForgottenYesterdays.com.

    As for "jumping the shark", the whole notion is a bit silly and over-used anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    I liked the 90s KC better than the 80s KC, but wouldn't really say that they ever JTS.
    I agree they never JTS and always stayed interesting, but I wish Fripp had followed his initial plan and named the 80's band Discipline rather than King Crimson (and by extension, possibly named the 90's and later entities "Double Trio" or "ProjeKt" or something other than Crimso). 60's/70's Crimso is my fave prog band of all time and to my ears, the 80's version just had so little in common with what made 60's/70's Crimso so great. Very little improvisation, very little virtuoso displays, the heavy bass presence of Wetton traded for the much lighter stick and funk-ish playing of Levin, RF rarely played a solo, Bruford spent more time "admirably restrained" than joyously wailing. There are some things I really like about Discipline and ToaPP, but to me they're like some other band, just not Crimso
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    Ok, a few things...

    The picture disc is an EP. A 12" single. Pat Mastelotto has revealed the tracklist:

    Side One:
    1. 21st Century Schizoid Man
    Side Two:
    1. Light Of Day
    2. Hellhounds

    I would bet that this is all from the forthcoming live album. I would also bet that the Tour Box contains all of this and possibly something from the rehearsals too.

    The titles of the new pieces have been revealed. They are Radical Action (To Unseat The Hold Of Monkey Mind), Meltdown and Suitable Grounds For The Blues. Like Level Five was put on an EP and sold on tour when they premiered it in 2001 I think we could get some rehearsal stuff on the Tour Box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WytchCrypt View Post
    There are some things I really like about Discipline and ToaPP, but to me they're like some other band, just not Crimso
    It all depends on your point of view, doesn't it? My first introduction to KC was in '84, so that version of the band is absolutely KC to me. And when I looked back into their catalog I really appreciated how it's a band that never got complacent and kept evolving over time. IMO, Red bears as little similarity to Court as Discipline does to Red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.bremer View Post
    It all depends on your point of view, doesn't it?
    Absolutely. Like everything related to our perception of music, it's a total matter of opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by popeyebonaparte View Post
    Like Level Five was put on an EP and sold on tour when they premiered it in 2001
    Interesting that Level Five is considered an EP and it's longer than ITCOTCK.

    14 years later and I've still never heard an explanation why a 2001 recording is partially in mono.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    Interesting that Level Five is considered an EP and it's longer than ITCOTCK.

    14 years later and I've still never heard an explanation why a 2001 recording is partially in mono.
    And why did people give out about Live at the Orpheum only being 41 minutes long when USA was roughly the same length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.bremer View Post
    It all depends on your point of view, doesn't it? My first introduction to KC was in '84, so that version of the band is absolutely KC to me. And when I looked back into their catalog I really appreciated how it's a band that never got complacent and kept evolving over time. IMO, Red bears as little similarity to Court as Discipline does to Red.
    ... but then you get THRAK that bears considerable similarity to prior Crimson and shows little evolution.

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