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    OK - this is very different from playing acoustic and sitting down. I can sit down and play the electric but I want to get used to playing it standing up as well. The neck is a little more manageable for my hands but everything is just at such a different perspective it will take some getting used to. I've played a little bit with messing with the reverb and sustain on the amp but mostly I just want to get used to playing an electric. I think I will order a distortion/overdrive/fuzz pedal of some sort soon. That should frighten my wife, who currently thinks I am getting very "pretty" sounds out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    That should frighten my wife, who currently thinks I am getting very "pretty" sounds out of it.
    If you stick with it, She'll probably start to hate it. Just be prepared to either learn to play with headphones, or to put it away the moment she walks into the room. My wife thinks that I am mentally ill and over obsessed with the same songs...

    That's called Practice.. She calls it "craptice"

    Of course maybe your wife is not as, shall we say "unenthusiastic" about being able to play an instrument. My wife would prefer me to just sit and watch Judge Judy. Thank God for headphones.
    I got nothin'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    OK - this is very different from playing acoustic and sitting down. I can sit down and play the electric but I want to get used to playing it standing up as well. The neck is a little more manageable for my hands but everything is just at such a different perspective it will take some getting used to. I've played a little bit with messing with the reverb and sustain on the amp but mostly I just want to get used to playing an electric. I think I will order a distortion/overdrive/fuzz pedal of some sort soon. That should frighten my wife, who currently thinks I am getting very "pretty" sounds out of it.
    I recommend the Zoom G1On for a cheap but really versatile multi-effects unit. Plenty of distortion boxes or amp sims to work with. I use one (actually two chained together, but that isn't necessary) and get amazing results from it. Simple and easy to use, dirt cheap, and super durable if you don't beat the crap out of it. Much fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    All I have is an acoustic guitar. It has been an up and down battle learning on it. First I broke my ankle which sidelined me for quite a while (couldn't get my feet flat on the floor for months). Then I spent a couple years driving for our local school district and damn, it raised the tendinitis in my hands so severely I couldn't strum for more than a few minutes. That ended last spring and with exercise/rest I have finally moderated the tendinitis somewhat. Fender just announced the you could get three months of free lessons on Fender Play so I signed up. Yesterday I was across the street where my neighbors were drinking on the front lawn. My neighbor's brother was there. He collects guitars and bikes. He doesn't play much any more. So I brought up the Fender thing and he said, "I've got something you can play for awhile". And he brought over this.


    I am not worthy!
    Sweet! That'll be lots of fun. Helluva nice starter getup.
    But, ask him if he'll let you peel off the factory film on the pickguard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    I recommend the Zoom G1On for a cheap but really versatile multi-effects unit. Plenty of distortion boxes or amp sims to work with. I use one (actually two chained together, but that isn't necessary) and get amazing results from it. Simple and easy to use, dirt cheap, and super durable if you don't beat the crap out of it. Much fun!

    Bill
    The readout and layout on the Zoom are great.

    I have a Digitech Element XP that I don't use at all anymore. But I lend it out, along with a guitar, to people interested in learning. It's another nice, cheap multi option, and has an expression pedal built-in. It's great because I don't need to lend them an amp, since you can plug headphones into the pedal itself to hear.



    Added a Joyo Aquarius delay pedal to the collection today. It's really good.
    Right now I've got a nifty ambient setup going with these lined up on the plank.

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    Since the last time I posted, the little Fender amp I was using starting this nasty ground hum. The guy that lent it to me took it back and brought over this huge vintage Fender Band Master. It sounds sweet but way too clean. Yesterday I bought a little Boss DS-1 distortion pedal and tried a couple simple chords last night. The SG is now a bad girl from the wrong side of the tracks.

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    ^^ I used to have a Bandmaster rig with Peavey Scorpion speakers in the cabinet. Very sweet sounding....wish I still had it.
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    I just got a Boss ES-5 loop switcher for my guitar pedals. It took me quite a while just to take apart my old pedal board and wire everything up to the boss unit. I've set up only a couple of very basic patches. Still need to figure out how to do a bunch of stuff like send expression pedal info to my Strymon and Eventide pedals over MIDI. Once everything is working I'll probably try to do a nicer job wiring things up and I'll also make a new (correctly sized) pedalboard to mount everything on.

    https://www.boss.info/us/products/es-5/specifications/


    And this is not really related, but this guy is getting some crazy sounds out of his pedalboard (skip to about the 14:45 mark):

    Just sitting at home rocking back and forth and jealously caressing my invisible collection of theoretical assets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    I just got a Boss ES-5 loop switcher for my guitar pedals. It took me quite a while just to take apart my old pedal board and wire everything up to the boss unit. I've set up only a couple of very basic patches. Still need to figure out how to do a bunch of stuff like send expression pedal info to my Strymon and Eventide pedals over MIDI. Once everything is working I'll probably try to do a nicer job wiring things up and I'll also make a new (correctly sized) pedalboard to mount everything on.

    https://www.boss.info/us/products/es-5/specifications/


    And this is not really related, but this guy is getting some crazy sounds out of his pedalboard (skip to about the 14:45 mark):

    Nice! Congrats. I researched that end of things and felt the ES-5 was a good choice.

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    Because I'm still scarred from piano lessons as a kid, but I love playing guitar and want to add keys to stuff I write, I got one of these to bridge the gap.


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    ^^^ I want all those EHX pedals. Maybe someday....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    ^^^ I want all those EHX pedals. Maybe someday....
    The Electric Mistress flanger/chorus and Pitch Fork are both pedals I'm never getting rid of. Hell, I'd be happy with anything EHX makes.

    Went back and forth between the B9 and C9 for a while. For whatever reason I kind of ignored the Key9. But it definitely covers all the bases I want the best. And it was a really good deal for a gently used one.

    I remember hearing Paul Gilbert talk about how songwriters in the 70s had some incredible piano chords and progressions, and he liked to try to recreate the chords they used on guitar. I feel the same way, love a lot of the music from that decade - not just prog - and this pedal should help me explore that nicely. I just have to keep in mind not to bend and slide, play it like it's keys. Unless it sounds cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frinspar View Post
    Because I'm still scarred from piano lessons as a kid, but I love playing guitar and want to add keys to stuff I write, I got one of these to bridge the gap.

    I wonder how it works. And how it sounds.

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    I wonder how it works. And how it sounds.
    They all work on the same principle as the POG, which is a fantastic digital octave pedal. Far and away the best tracking I've ever experienced on an octaver, and options for up and down octaves (actually, that's the Micro POG that I had, the real POG has tons more options). I think what they found was that when you had the clones of the signal, you could not only manipulate them up and down, but you could also shape them tonally. They then started shaping the cloned waves into the sounds of organs, Mellotrons, pianos, etc. and releasing these little units.

    How do they sound? Well, that's subjective. The guitarist in one of my bands had the organ and Mellotron boxes for a while (I think he borrowed the Mellotron from someone). I got to diddle around with both during breaks in rehearsal. My assessment... meh. They certainly sound recognizably like the instruments they're emulating, but not to the extent that it really sounds like a real Tron or organ, or even close to the high quality samples available out there. The devices track well, but it's very hard to get a sustained wash on the Tron like you can with keys (some notes are almost bound to flake out), and organ chord voicings are difficult and sound a bit muddy with traditional guitar chord voicings. You'd really to develop a technique for that if you wanted to sound like a real organ (which you wouldn't really anyway). I think the best use for them for a guitarist would literally be as an effect, in tandem with their direct guitar signal, rather than to literally try to cover keyboard parts; except possibly some single line solos where the organ sound might shine. For chords, I wasn't impressed.

    Apparently the guitarist in my band eventually agreed. The pedals were gone in a few weeks. He considered them "toys." Maybe that's extreme, but for most guitarists who aren't going to work hard on a technique to integrate these, or use them more creatively as sound augmentation, I think on average that's exactly what they are.

    Bill

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    ^^
    So they process the sound, to emulate something that is close (or not so close) to the instrument it should sound like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    ^^
    So they process the sound, to emulate something that is close (or not so close) to the instrument it should sound like?
    Yeah, that's basically right as I understand it. That's certainly what it sounded like to me. They're definitely not using samples.

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    I've seen a couple of remarks from people who gigged with them and they worked well for their needs. Most others range from saying it's a fun toy to a silly curiosity to plain stupid. Piano players seem generally offended by them.

    As I'm really playing for an audience of one (myself) I just look for fun and interesting things to play with. Should suit my purposes well enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    ^^
    So they process the sound, to emulate something that is close (or not so close) to the instrument it should sound like?
    Yeah. And it's got a blend knob so you can still mix some of the guitar into the effect if desired.

    Solid sample of what the Key9 can be. Essentially key tones that sound like they're being played on a guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    ^^
    So they process the sound, to emulate something that is close (or not so close) to the instrument it should sound like?
    Yeah, that's basically right as I understand it. That's certainly what it sounded like to me. They're definitely not using samples.

    Bill
    It would be similar to the original Roland Guitar Synthesizer, but at a tiny fraction of the cost. Steve Miller used one on the Fly Like an Eagle album. We can thank Moore's Law for bringing the price down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progmatist View Post
    It would be similar to the original Roland Guitar Synthesizer, but at a tiny fraction of the cost. Steve Miller used one on the Fly Like an Eagle album. We can thank Moore's Law for bringing the price down.
    I always assumed it was an ARP Pro-Soloist played manually. Of course, the ARP Odyssey (which Wikipedia says he played on the track) could do most of the sounds that the Pro-Soloist could do (hence, my mistaken impression it was the PS)

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