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I don't have any live VDGG is this a good place to start?
Ian
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I blame Wynton, what was the question?
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BBC sessions are an lamost infaillible garantee that the sound will good or excellent...
Vital (78) is not approprite for classic-era VdGG, however raw and good it may be
Real Time (07) is rather good, but has a fairly rocky start, and they were sort of under-rehearsed (their first reunion concert)
Should you get the Paradisio (09) or the Metropolis (12) shows, get the DVD instead
For Merlin Atmos (15), the first disc is awesome (and indispensible) while the second disc is... meh... OK... If I had to redo it, I'd just take the Merlin (without the atmos)
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I'd agree that The Pentangle's double BBC disc is pretty bad.... but it is the kind of exception that confirms a rarely-denied rule
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Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
For anyone who has the new(ish) BBC “After The Flood” cd… Are there audio issues with the ’71 live-in-concert clip (Man Erg, W, Killer)? It sounded much better and cleaner on the old “Fellow Travellers” bootleg. On the BBC cd it seems like there is distortion in spots; maybe actual radio static creeping in or some sort of low rumbling. I’ve tried it on two different systems (neither that great). Is anyone else hearing this?
Ian Beabout
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No, that session exists in great, pristine quality on the aforementioned Fellow Travelers boot and elsewhere. It's extremely disappointing that they weren't able to dig up a better version than the atrocity they went with (through no fault of their own, probably; disappointing nonetheless)
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
Have to disagree with you on this one Steve. I own FT, it was the first VdGG boot I ever heard and helped inspire me to write a book on the band. I lived, breathed, and ate (?!) that '71 session (available on other boots as well) in my youth, it was the holy grail to me. Every note of this perf is etched in my (demented) brain, even though the W and Killer perfs are radically different from the studio versions. I even had Killer from this session played on air when I was interviewed for Milwaukee's 'Planet Prog' radio show to promote said book. I wouldn't consider playing Killer on air from the new BBC disc given the chance again, the sound quality just isn't as good, the aforementioned static/rumbling is just too distracting (IMO). There are other VdGG nerds (almost as nerdy as me in their love of VdGG) who've been hip to this '71 session for years and are hearing the same "new" flaws with the "After The Flood" version, one of them the author of the Italian VdGG biography (I posted about this same issue on the Yahoo Hammill group and my own VdGG Facebook page).
Just my two cents and no biggie that we disagree.
...although I perhaps overstated the case by saying 'pristine quality' ;-) It's just 'better' quality
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
The holy grail would be a pristine copy of the BBC Transcription Disc, from which Fellow Travellers was taken. It is always an outside possibility, although increasingly unlikely some 45 years on. The `In Concert' master tapes would have been wiped years ago, and the Transcription Service tapes seem to have met the same fate according to the BBC's information.
Just to be sure I wasn't making a mountain etc, I listened this morning to Killer on the new BBC disc. There definitely is a major audio issue going on there. For anyone who has the new disc, listen to the first verse PH sings ("So you live in the bottom of the sea..."). The distortion is immediately apparent. Also glaring at the start of the second sung verse ("On a black day, in a black month.."). It almost as if it was recorded too loudly and it's clipping, or there is just static bleeding through. Absent on other, much cleaner versions of the same session (incl Fellow Travellers)
Is there a "go to" boot CD of these performances recommended?
FT is / was vinyl, correct?
BG
"When Yes appeared on stage, it was like, the gods appearing from the heavens, deigning to play in front of the people."
Wow. So where can I get Fellow Travelers?
Ian Beabout
Mixing and mastering engineer. See ya at ProgDay !
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I'm not anywhere I can hear this (I'm at work!) but I found this clip on YouTube which is supposedly taken from Fellow Travelers. If you're able, can you compare the two versions of Killer and see if the distortion on the first two vocal verses is present on the YouTube clip (it's def there on the new BBC disc)?
https://youtu.be/crDRQBy7Kco
The official release 'After The Flood' uses the bootleg 'VDGG Is On The Air' as source for Killer and for the whole 23rd-Sept-71 session. Here, this 23rd-Sept-71 session is taken from a different copy of the BBC Transcription Disc as the one used on Fellow Travellers. The sound features of the 2 bootlegs are different, it's not only a question of eq, and, most important, on Fellow Travellers there's a vinyl skip on Killer during the instrumental section. That's probably the reason for choosing the VDGG Is On The Air source.
Anyway, they could have easily inserted the missing section into the Fellow Travellers source for a better listening rendition.
Last edited by squonkduke; 04-07-2016 at 09:05 AM.
...or was the skip on Man-Erg? Now i'm at work and don't remember exactly, but on Fellow Travellers there was definitly a skipping issue on one of the 3 songs of the 23rd-Sept-71 session.
Question: other than the first three tracks (which I have on The Box) is there anything here that wasn't subsequently included on the Charisma Years box?
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