Finally something in this thread I can agree with!Originally Posted by strawberrybrick
Finally something in this thread I can agree with!
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Great post. I'm still interested in whether there is a longevity benefit with the 180g, but I'm not buying vinyl anytime soon. Honestly, if I wanted to pursue analog compression, I would buy great masters in high resolution digital and experiment with conversion to analog, and then processing with analog circuits which would mimic the compression that happens thru the record making process.
If I was buying vinyl, the pedigree associated with the purity of the vinyl itself maybe just as important as weight.
“The Beatles were the first progressive band,” says Jon Anderson, who was a year from co-founding Yes when Sgt Pepper was released in May 1967.
I beg your pardon! Enjoy.
I guess I'm always ready to jump on the biggest scam in the hi-end audiophile market: super-expensive audio cables like this. Truly insane. Oh well, there's a sucker born every minute.
Here's a warning just in case any forum members have deep pockets and run into a salesman with no scruples:
Source: http://www.ecoustics.com/articles/te...st-lies-audio/The Cable Lie
Logically this is not the lie to start with because cables are accessories, not primary audio components. But it is the hugest, dirtiest, most cynical, most intelligence-insulting and, above all, most fraudulently profitable lie in audio, and therefore must go to the head of the list.
The lie is that high-priced speaker cables and interconnects sound better than the standard, run-of-the-mill (say, Radio Shack) ones. It is a lie that has been exposed, shamed, and refuted over and over again by every genuine authority under the sun, but the tweako audio cultists hate authority and the innocents can’t distinguish it from self-serving charlatanry.
The simple truth is that resistance, inductance, and capacitance (R, L, and C) are the only cable parameters that affect performance in the range below radio frequencies. The signal has no idea whether it is being transmitted through cheap or expensive RLC. Yes, you have to pay a little more than rock bottom for decent plugs, shielding, insulation, etc., to avoid reliability problems, and you have to pay attention to resistance in longer connections. In basic electrical performance, however, a nice pair of straightened-out wire coat hangers with the ends scraped is not a whit inferior to a $2000 gee-whiz miracle cable. Nor is 16-gauge lamp cord at 18-cents a foot. Ultrahigh-priced cables are the biggest scam in consumer electronics, and the cowardly surrender of nearly all audio publications to the pressures of the cable marketers is truly depressing to behold.
If you're not convinced I give you exhibit A: http://archive.randi.org/site/index....challenge.html
I've been through this with true believers and they know they can hear the difference and they get mad as hell no matter how politely challenged. Their argument is basically some permutation or combination of "I've got a degree in ___ and I've been in the audio industry for ___ years and I've heard ____ systems and I know the difference between ___ and ___ and you're an ignorant piece of ___ you god damn ___ what makes you think you know ____ you mother___ing pile of ____ing ____!
I can state with certainty there is no correlation between the weight of the album and any sonic benefit or longevity. I have mint 50 year old albums that weigh around 100 grams and they are quieter than anything being manufactured today. If anything I would suggest that the additional weight is a detriment because the average consumer does not adjust the VTA to compensate for the additional thickness of a heavier weight LP.
Here is one thing I learned over the years about the "quality" of vinyl sound that is not pertinent to the quality of the recording or mastering.
If you have old records that you once played on a close and play or on some inexpensive 1970's gear that tracked pretty heavy way back in the day, you might find that they sound better now than they did before. The damage you caused them back then may still be there, but if you have a fairly decent quality cartridge on your vinyl rig today, and it has a fine line stylus on it (or a Shibata tip) it could very well sound like the old damage is gone. Well, it is not. Those old cartridges generally had fairly wide, fat diamonds on them, so they rode higher in the groove. The damage was done to the top edges of the groove wall.
But today's fine line stylus ride lower in the groove and track deeper, thereby avoiding the damage done by your old cartridge. So your old records may sound less pop and crackly than they did before. No, it's not all gone and clean and wonderful, but it is likely better than it might be otherwise.
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Yes yes yes the cable lie has been exposed many times by many different people -- but still somehow it persists.
As do the other nine the author mentions.
Even with such transparent B.S. as this:It would be hilarious -- except that some people take it SERIOUSLY.The Odin Supreme Reference Loudspeaker Cable uses 24 silver-plated 20 AWG conductors made from 99.999999% oxygen free copper (OFC), deployed in a flat array arrangement. Each conductor is wound with a helical “Dual Mono-Filament” of Fluorinated Ethylene Propylene (FEP) with an extruded FEP jacket. Carefully matched conductors and meticulous precision throughout the manufacturing process result in a cable of superb sonic performance.
The Odin Supreme Reference Loudspeaker Cable is terminated with Nordost triple rhodium-plated, beryllium copper, low-mass banana connectors. These low-mass connectors offer the very best interface and impedance matching between the cable and the attached components. Odin is also available with special, triple rhodium-plated Furutech spade connectors. The Odin Supreme Reference Loudspeaker Cable is terminated for Bi-Wire as standard but may be ordered in Shotgun or Bi-amp configurations.
A simple A/B comparison is all that is required to determine the truth. (If the judge has a financial interest in the outcome, make that a not-so-simple "double-blind A/B test" or the author's recommended ABX test.)
Really, when someone gets so "off in the weeds" about something as obvious and verifiable as cable technologies, it makes me despair for ever finding agreement on issues where there really are two valid ways to interpret the data.
Precisely - snake oil audio salesman HATE AB/ABX tests and it makes me despair that people will ever apply critical thinking to interpreting data and information that is far more important than the quality of audio cable...
BTW Nordost also sells Whitelight Glass Fiber Optic Cables for $33K!!! It's arguably even stupider to pay a fortune for a more "pure" optical digital signal. Maybe the 1's and 0's are brighter because they've managed to make the material resilient to interference from neutrino bombardment which could collide with 1 out of every googleplex photons and thereby destroy your listening experience.
But wait We have a new champion: "Perhaps I could interest you in our top of the line Siltech Cables's Emperor Double Crown, starting at the low low price of only $45,000 for two meters!" http://www.thecableco.com/Product/Si...r-Double-Crown
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There's an old saying, "A fool and his money..."
But we've been down this road before, nobody's mind is going to be changed, and I apologize for replying to BuddhaBreath on this. I should've just let it pass.
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I'm actually pretty bored with where this thread ended up, so I guess I will bow out.
WRT Lambertland - there's one track that's killer - Side 2 Track 2 - Last Quarters. The rest is just OK and the steam of consciousness lyrics are beyond stupid.
Think of a book as a vase, and a movie as the stained-glass window that the filmmaker has made out of the pieces after he’s smashed it with a hammer.
-- Russell Banks (paraphrased)
Let's liven things up a bit ....
Who got something new and cool for their system this Christmas season (other than new music)?
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I have a Logitech programmable touch screen universal remote coming my way, but it isn't here yet.
Either into the corner of the room (more bass), or away from my rack (less bass, more isolation).
"Always ready with the ray of sunshine"
Not so much gear, but I got a custom made Italian marble record weight. Stunningly gorgeous.
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Looks good enough to eat, Pr33t.
Let us know how you like the sound and where it ends up.
I'm of the opinion that subwoofer placement is NOT endlessly variable, but I only use a sub on my home theater setup (and it's fine there).
Finally took care of this. I bought a NAD M22 Master Series Amplifier to replace the Carver. Haven't hooked it up yet, probably tomorrow. I spent 33% more than intended, but I think I'll be happy. My Christmas present to myself, but I'm using the cash I got for Christmas and putting it toward this purchase.
Not particularly "audiophile" I suppose, but I got a Cambridge Soundworks OoontZ Angle 3 bluetooth speaker so that I can get better sound out of my tablet. Much better sound, and less than $30. My older, slower tablet offers much better sound than my newer one; I guess you sacrifice sound quality when you make 'em thinner and less battery-hungry.
Just what I was thinking. It looks like it's already got chocolate sauce on top.
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A gentleman is defined as someone who knows how to play the accordion, and doesn't.
Still happy with my Carver TFM-35 after 12 years (e-Bay purchase) and just replaced the lamps. No problems except contacts on the volume, but that's always at 100% (controlled via the receiver so I haven't bothered). I'm guessing from your new choice you might have had the TFM-35 as well. I'm sure you'll be happy with the NAD and I'd be interested to hear what you think and any perceived differences from driving your speakers with the Carver.
Hah! I rarely use a weight as it is, so it's mostly ornamental. My brother-in-law's studio had a bunch made, so I was a beneficiary of that batch.
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I always liked the sound of NAD components.
At the risk of being branded a non-believer.
There is, apparently, a better turntable out there.... Steam Powered
Forgot the video
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-- Aristotle
Nostalgia, you know, ain't what it used to be. Furthermore, they tells me, it never was.
“A Man Who Does Not Read Has No Appreciable Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read” - Unknown
That's eff'ing brilliant!
Great Tech! Love it!
Note: Steam is much more analogue than electricity which is basically digital and subject to quantum "gapping" which causes transharmonic microdistortions subject to peaking at times of heavy neutrino bombardment unless your cables are at least 99.999999999999% oxygen-free.
Only if you boil that $1/oz water to make your steam.
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