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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubal View Post
    Humidity is the presence of moisture in the air. Sound waves travel through the air. Dryer air has lower "impedance" for sound waves.
    This guy thinks the speed of sound through air is not affected by barometric pressure or humidity. His conclusion is that only temperature affects sound transmission.

    I don't have enough scientific background to know if he's right or wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    Robert gets off on thread crapping. Always been that way and will never change. Learn to ignore him. Its hard I know.
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    Easy to ignore a PE member, but the disruption is what takes its toll on certain threads.

    Robert, these aren't the only complaints we have received regarding this thread. It's okay to take a contrary opinion on something, but maybe you should just bow out of this thread for a while. It's taking away from those who would like to have a discussion about the subject, not whether the subject is valid.

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    Here's cable theory 101

    - Different metals conduct differently - silver, copper, tin plated copper, silver plated copper, etc. This is measurable.
    - Different gauge wire conducts differently. This is measurable.
    - Stranded vs solid core wire conducts differently. This is measurable.
    - Different dielectric material affects the electrical property of a cable. Plastic, rubber, teflon, cotton, air, etc. This is measurable.
    - Different wire pair configuration conducts differently. Parallel, twisted (and # of twists/foot), braided, etc. This is measurable.

    So why is it so hard to concede that different cables, all manufactured with different characteristics of the above, might indeed sound different?
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    Sorry Bob, I can't answer you. Apparently there's no room for science in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Sorry Bob, I can't answer you. Apparently there's no room for science in this thread.









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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Nobody in the history of Earth is going to A/B $30 with $1,500 cables and say, wow, you know what, I was wrong! The cheap cable is fine and I apparently just pissed away enough money to put a down-payment on a new house! Human nature won't allow it. The only way you can really test this stuff is a strictly controlled double blind environment where even the people administering the test don't know which is which.
    Is it possible that the above statements regarding everyone in earth's history and human nature might be a little presumptuous? I have close to perfect anonymity here. I will not feel at all embarrassed by the results of a test... blind, not blind or even a quadruple blind test...and will have no problem w/ recovering some money I spent on cables more than ten years ago. In fact I'm rooting for the cheap stuff.
    Based on post #665, gold plated Monster cable in the $30 range and 12 gauge zip cord, (no burn in) will sound the same as the interconnects and speaker cables being replaced.
    Okay so far?
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    Before someone calls in Dr. Phil to clean this up, Could you tell me what companies make preamps with excellent phono stages. Though I resist external stages, I would still appreciate suggestions on a few of these. Sorry to interrupt. Now back to the innuendo and back biting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    Before someone calls in Dr. Phil to clean this up, Could you tell me what companies make preamps with excellent phono stages. Though I resist external stages, I would still appreciate suggestions on a few of these. Sorry to interrupt. Now back to the innuendo and back biting.
    What's your price point?

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    IMO phono stages are the weakest link in the analogue stage. You just will never hear what your tonearm and cartridge can truly do if the phono stage isn't up to the job. For that reason, I prefer an outboard phono stage. If something doesn't quite jive, or if a small lottery winning comes your way, it is easier to upgrade it rather than changing out the whole preamp.

    And these days, an in-board phono stage is likely an afterthought just so a manufacturer can say they support the format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    IMO phono stages are the weakest link in the analogue stage. You just will never hear what your tonearm and cartridge can truly do if the phono stage isn't up to the job. For that reason, I prefer an outboard phono stage. If something doesn't quite jive, or if a small lottery winning comes your way, it is easier to upgrade it rather than changing out the whole preamp.

    And these days, an in-board phono stage is likely an afterthought just so a manufacturer can say they support the format.
    I believe this to be true which is why I'm hoping for external stage suggestions. My issue with external stages though is simply, just another circuit to process through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    What's your price point?
    Right now I have a mid level Counterpoint which I've had for some time. If pushed, I'd like to move up a step. You get the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    Right now I have a mid level Counterpoint which I've had for some time. If pushed, I'd like to move up a step. You get the idea.
    You would have to give me some kind of a budget. Counterpoint went belly up over 15 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    You would have to give me some kind of a budget. Counterpoint went belly up over 15 years ago.
    I would say 3.5 to 4K but summer has a way of changing things.
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    I have a question as well. What is the preferred method of playing files from a computer to a stereo? I'm assuming on newer equipment there's a digital or HDMI inputs, maybe a USB port. My amp in the living room only takes the usual RCA jacks so I use that. Same way with the system in my man cave. It's works but I doubt that I'm transmitting the best possible signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    I have a question as well. What is the preferred method of playing files from a computer to a stereo? I'm assuming on newer equipment there's a digital or HDMI inputs, maybe a USB port. My amp in the living room only takes the usual RCA jacks so I use that. Same way with the system in my man cave. It's works but I doubt that I'm transmitting the best possible signal.
    If I am reading your question correctly I think the simple answer is you need a DAC with USB input. You can output the digital file from your computer into your DAC. The DAC will take the digital file, convert it to analogue and output it to your preamp.

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    I am running JRiver Media Centre on a Windows 7 laptop into my Classé CP-800 pre-amp/DAC via USB. I'm reasonably happy with it. Sometimes, with hi-rez files, the sound can be holographic. 44.1K/16bit FLAC files are not quite as enjoyable as CDs played on my Rotel CDP run into the DAC via optical TOSlink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    I have a question as well. What is the preferred method of playing files from a computer to a stereo? I'm assuming on newer equipment there's a digital or HDMI inputs, maybe a USB port. My amp in the living room only takes the usual RCA jacks so I use that. Same way with the system in my man cave. It's works but I doubt that I'm transmitting the best possible signal.
    I use optical out of my computer to my DAC. Avoids that which detracts from USB.
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    Considering the kind of investment a lot of you already have in systems, a truly studio quality DAC is almost cheap! If you want to to your pc right as a digital audio source you need a dedicated outboard DAC.

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/deta...f1aBoCdtjw_wcB

    You can spend more but you probably don't need too... Apogee makes great affordable DACs as well.

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    Fred you are killing me.

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    Hehe... ok, I'll stay out of it. Of course, you can get Bob to build you some...

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    There will always be the "engineers -vs- ears" debates in audio. The only way to satisfy both ideologies is double-blind testing and yet DBT is three letter dirty word in audiophilia. It seems a lot of the same people who say they'll trust their ears are unwilling to use only their ears. But enough of this thread crapping. I'll bow out of this thread knowing I've never spent enough money to be an audiophile in the first place and that I wouldn't recognize good sounding audio equipment if I saw it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    I would say 3.5 to 4K but summer has a way of changing things.
    Here's a couple of suggestions in the used marketplace:

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...21-honolulu-hi

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...rmond-beach-fl

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...6801-bethel-ct

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...10-carlsbad-ca

    Others to consider if you can find them at your price point are from Coincidence, Audio Research, Klyne, Jadis, Pass, Whest. Each of these has a character, but there are enough reviews of them to give you an idea of which way they swing. I think the biggest question is whether you want tubes or solid state, and if they have sufficient gain for your cartridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    Here's a couple of suggestions in the used marketplace:

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...21-honolulu-hi

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...rmond-beach-fl

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...6801-bethel-ct

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/pho...10-carlsbad-ca

    Others to consider if you can find them at your price point are from Coincidence, Audio Research, Klyne, Jadis, Pass, Whest. Each of these has a character, but there are enough reviews of them to give you an idea of which way they swing. I think the biggest question is whether you want tubes or solid state, and if they have sufficient gain for your cartridge.
    All great suggestions. The idea now I would think is to break down which might work best with my new Dynavector 10x5 cart and Pro-Ject TT. I've heard people say that tubes can be noisy but I know those with tube systems and they sound perfectly fine to me. SS may be a more simple choice to deal with in the long run. The Whest stage looks interesting. Do you have any personal info on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    You would have to give me some kind of a budget. Counterpoint went belly up over 15 years ago.
    Ah Laser, it was my first real piece of audio. Purring right along but I want to replace it this summer as it is the oldest. I listen to more vinyl than anything so whatever I do will have to be with that in mind. Throw some ideas out here.
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    From my perspective your Boulder monoblocks are keepers. The ideal mate is the matching preamp. I would try to stretch my budget for it.

    Otherwise something like this might work very well:

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/sol...24-plano-tx--2

    Classe gear is extremely neutral and it runs balanced, which the Boulder amps would prefer to see.

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