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    Quote Originally Posted by BobM View Post
    Doing these adjustments/tweaks yourself will help you learn a bit more about the physics of the table and how each affects the sound. Plus, it's part of the enjoyment of the hobby. Definitely read up on all of this, then take it on.

    BTW - not sure why you would need to adjust anything twice a year, unless some component part has changed. Once set, there is little that could/should change with time.
    I think it's just a comfort thing. It gets used alot so you figure wear and tear. Take it to the TT doctor at the beginning and middle of the year. I assume once a year is good but I will take your advise and cut it to one. Actually, no one has ever said to me how often I should take it in so twice a year felt pretty good. But, I'm going to lean to make some of these adjustments myself. Poor table.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    First of all, this article is 19 years old. A lot can change in 20 years.

    Second, two seconds with Google answered why JVC's "supervinyl" was discontinued, it's because the manufacturing process was dangerously toxic.
    More toxic than some of the crap I hear being played?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    I think it's just a comfort thing. It gets used alot so you figure wear and tear. Take it to the TT doctor at the beginning and middle of the year. I assume once a year is good but I will take your advise and cut it to one. Actually, no one has ever said to me how often I should take it in so twice a year felt pretty good. But, I'm going to lean to make some of these adjustments myself. Poor table.
    So, more like a teeth cleaning than a colonoscopy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    So, more like a teeth cleaning than a colonoscopy?
    Just glad the dentists knows the difference.
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    I'm glad proctologists do too.

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    The Cave

    Here are some pix of my current listening room.

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    The room is carpeted and has acoustic tiles on the ceiling. Dimensions are approximately 7.5'x12'x16'.

    I've had the bookshelf holding the LPs since the late 70s. I braced the shelves with 2x4s and they have held their shape all these years. The CD cases are maple and were custom made for our old living room, where "they had to look nice". Each one holds about 750 CDs and the over flow is in a cheapo unfinished pine rack I bought at a record store many years ago.

    The plan going forward is to finish a 30' x 40' area of the basement into a multipurpose area including a 2 channel listening area. The configuration is not completely determined because there are telescoping support beams that run through the room. At one time, I had hoped to carve off a section and build a room that fit the golden rule (1:1.6:2.33). The height would be a bit less than 8' so the width:length would end up being around 12':18'.
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    Stan - by acoustic tile do you mean a drop ceiling or are they special acoustic tiles?

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    I had to crop all the pictures, so they could be uploaded.

    It's a drop ceiling. There isn't any insulation above them, so the sound carries into main floor.

    I want to use a lot of soundproofing in the walls and ceiling in the new room. I don't want to use a drop ceiling, so that I can keep the ceiling as high as possible. Of course it won't be level because of the cold air return ducts that run the length of the unfinished area - right down the middle! It won't be perfect, but I will do the best I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rottersclub View Post
    It's a drop ceiling. There isn't any insulation above them, so the sound carries into main floor.

    I want to use a lot of soundproofing in the walls and ceiling in the new room. I don't want to use a drop ceiling, so that I can keep the ceiling as high as possible. Of course it won't be level because of the cold air return ducts that run the length of the unfinished area - right down the middle! It won't be perfect, but I will do the best I can.
    You do the best you can of course. Just make sure you use sheetrock. I've seen some odd rooms. One of the guys in our audio group has an 8ft ceiling in his basement but he also has a low hanging structural beam running across the middle of the room that was sheetrocked around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    You do the best you can of course. Just make sure you use sheetrock.
    Sheetrock is pretty reflective.

    My basement listening room has nine foot ceilings but a cement foundation running the perimeter of the room up to about 36" off the floor. Above that was Sheetrock. I ended up building baffles -- just 2x4 frames with fiberglass insulation inside them and colored burlap over the front -- to cover the Sheetrock and sound-deaden the echoes. Between that, and a nice Berber carpet, and some fairly-thick acoustic tiles on the ceiling, we deadened that sucker right down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Sheetrock is pretty reflective.
    Yes it is.

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    Our living room is less than ideal but I'm at least four years away from redoing the basement to make it the ideal soundroom. By then I'll have gone through an equipment upgrade and moved this system into the man cave.

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    Amazing how we always end up with glass table tops in our living rooms. I begged my wife to replace our marble tables with wood ones, but nooooo we had to get glass.
    Think of a book as a vase, and a movie as the stained-glass window that the filmmaker has made out of the pieces after hes smashed it with a hammer.
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    If you are going to do any critical listening when the wife isn't around, just throw a nice fluffy towel over those table tops, or over the TV screen in between the speakers. You should hear a nice improvement in soundstage.
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    I just remodelled the man cave this past fall, and very happy I did. The basement has a low ceiling, and I wasn't going to dig down (though that's pretty common these days), but now I have sheetrock everywhere, carpet on the floor and long row of albums behind the couch to help soak up the sound. The sweet spot is indeed sweet now.

    Not sure I could get away with larger speakers in the room.

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    The room is everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberrybrick View Post
    I just remodelled the man cave this past fall, and very happy I did. The basement has a low ceiling, and I wasn't going to dig down (though that's pretty common these days), but now I have sheetrock everywhere, carpet on the floor and long row of albums behind the couch to help soak up the sound. The sweet spot is indeed sweet now.

    Not sure I could get away with larger speakers in the room.

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    Mind if I go through your albums?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    The room is everything.
    What is the best floor surface? Tile, wood or carpet?
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    There was a story online about a guy who spent well over $100K designing the ultimate room for his system. I thought I saved the link but of course, I can't find it. The owner of the room invited the conductor of the local symphony to audition the system. Conductor said, "This is what I hear standing in the hall." Oh to spend a day there with a stack of CDs.
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    Well in theory the perfect room is transparent- it imparts no sound or ambience on the recording. It really shouldn't require $100K to pull that off. I imagine there was a lot more going on there to justify that kind of cash outlay. You can do pretty well in most spaces with a few hundred bucks worth of treatment. But you can have a live room you like the sound of, it's just that everything you listen too will sound like it's being performed in that particular room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    What is the best floor surface? Tile, wood or carpet?
    I don't believe there is one right answer. The floor is just one aspect of the room and its acoustics. Lots of factors - is there subflooring? Are you on concrete? If its a hard surface in place like tile or wood you can use rugs as needed. You might not need them...all depends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Staun View Post
    What is the best floor surface? Tile, wood or carpet?
    Wood is too reflective for my taste. And it is all a matter of taste.

    But I will mention one more factor not yet mentioned -- basement or 2nd floor? I THOUGHT I wanted my listening room in the basement, on a concrete floor (with carpet) but I have come to miss the floor vibrations which are a big physiological element of "feeling the bass." When the floor doesn't vibrate, the bass doesn't FEEL as impressive. My next listening room will have a hollow floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Well in theory the perfect room is transparent- it imparts no sound or ambience on the recording.
    I don't think "transparent" is the right word here, I like the word "neutral" better (but I know what you meant). A room should be neither totally anechoic (if you've ever been in an anechoic room you know why) nor should it sound like an empty basketball court. The ideal lies somewhere in between.

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    I'm still looking for that link. Aaaaargh.

    In the meantime, Mark Bailey just posted this on FB. It appears that high-end audio is seeing a little bit of a push back against the MP3 world.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...P=share_btn_fb
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    Quote Originally Posted by LASERCD View Post
    I don't believe there is one right answer. The floor is just one aspect of the room and its acoustics. Lots of factors - is there subflooring? Are you on concrete? If its a hard surface in place like tile or wood you can use rugs as needed. You might not need them...all depends.
    2nd floor, carpet over wood.
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