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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    The settlement doesn't address the pain and suffering by golden eared audiophiles who've been outted as not being to tell the difference.
    Not just that, as amusing as that has been.

    One can't defend MoFi in this and they may pay a heavy price for their duplicity. I have sympathy for those who merely bought these records in good faith, with no agenda. But then you read about others whose main worry is their collections now being 'devalued' and well, that's more like stocks/shares trading and little to do with music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    He made this a more interesting thread.
    Yes it's a real shame. A main contributor banned after so many years and for what? Ridiculous. He should be reinstated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ88 View Post
    Not just that, as amusing as that has been.

    One can't defend MoFi in this and they may pay a heavy price for their duplicity. I have sympathy for those who merely bought these records in good faith, with no agenda. But then you read about others whose main worry is their collections now being 'devalued' and well, that's more like stocks/shares trading and little to do with music.
    Yes, the collectors. I don't feel sorry for those guys. I'm sure that what they do have are the finest mastered vinyl media that one could expect in the modern era, just not the exclusivity and scarcity they desired.

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    MoFi were caught and lost the case because they made some specific advertising statements which were found to be misleading, deceitul and/or false. Other "audiophile" vinyl producers are much more careful and avoid some specific or too descriptive technical terms in their ads which could be legally binding.
    But it must be remembered that 80% (or more) of the currently produced vinyls (audiophile or not) came from a digital(ized) source master anyway.
    A local friend of mine who has a disc cutting service recently told me that less than 20% of his clients are supplying an analog master (source), all the others are in the form of some digital files. His two STUDER (analog) tape reproducers are waiting there most of the time with their protective dust covers fitted.
    Now, all "audiophile vinyl lovers" please tell me how a digital(ized) audio source could be "improved" by transferring it to a next generation mechanical support. Best of both worlds ? Hard to believe...

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    Before the turntable I used this fall went tits up I was enjoying spinning some new vinyl. It's all nostalgia for me. Hearing old rock on vinyl sends me back to my youth. That's it. I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who bought "audiophile" recordings simply for the supposed value. Other than that, there's some vinyl that sounds better than CDs and there's CDs that sound better than vinyl. Just depends on how the recording and the medium was handled.
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    I've said it before, in the audio hobby, it's ok to keep a harem. You can prefer whatever playback medium you wish. Hell, you can prefer cassettes if you like, just don't feel compelled to cite pseudo-scientific jargon or fake rationale to justify one or the other. Listen to music, not gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Krautman View Post
    MoFi were caught and lost the case because they made some specific advertising statements which were found to be misleading, deceitul and/or false. Other "audiophile" vinyl producers are much more careful and avoid some specific or too descriptive technical terms in their ads which could be legally binding.
    But it must be remembered that 80% (or more) of the currently produced vinyls (audiophile or not) came from a digital(ized) source master anyway.
    A local friend of mine who has a disc cutting service recently told me that less than 20% of his clients are supplying an analog master (source), all the others are in the form of some digital files.
    I can definitely believe this and am waiting for the next domino to fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Krautman View Post
    MoFi were caught and lost the case because they made some specific advertising statements which were found to be misleading, deceitul and/or false. Other "audiophile" vinyl producers are much more careful and avoid some specific or too descriptive technical terms in their ads which could be legally binding.
    But it must be remembered that 80% (or more) of the currently produced vinyls (audiophile or not) came from a digital(ized) source master anyway.
    A local friend of mine who has a disc cutting service recently told me that less than 20% of his clients are supplying an analog master (source), all the others are in the form of some digital files. His two STUDER (analog) tape reproducers are waiting there most of the time with their protective dust covers fitted.
    Now, all "audiophile vinyl lovers" please tell me how a digital(ized) audio source could be "improved" by transferring it to a next generation mechanical support. Best of both worlds ? Hard to believe...
    Modern vinyl records are cut from Hi-Res digital sources. Pretty much every modern recording starts out Hi-Res, and is downsampled to 16/44.1 for CD production. In the 80s when most multitrack digital recorders were 16/44.1, in most cases the multitrack digital source was still mixed and mastered to analog for vinyl. I can name the records in my collection which were direct transfers from the 16/44.1 CD master. Sounding exactly like the CD, with the added bonus of surface noise. Kansas Power, Yes Big Generator, Peter Hammill Skin, and Jerry Goodman Arial. I'm sure there are a couple more I can't remember right off hand.
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    I think my only MoFi purchase was this one that I got second-hand for not a whole lot of money, and it was obviated by the rerelease that included the DVD with Jarre and a few pals playing the material live in the studio.

    I find the Mo-Fi packaging style to be overly intrusive and detracts from the original artwork.
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    I made a copy of a friend's MFSL's take on Quadrophenia CDs. I'll give 'em this, it sounded better than the original and way, way better than the Astley remix decades later.
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    I don't think there's any issue with the MoFi CDs as there's no deception involved- obviously there is a digital step with the transfer to CD! I have the old Polydor CD of that album for the original mix.

    That said, I've read anecdotally (as I don't own them) about the packaging of MoFi's CDs sometimes causing disc centre-cracks. They used a liftable tray to put the discs on, instead of the flat tray which most jewel case CDs have.

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    MOFI is a MOFO. If they were truly honest, the format would have been hybrid SACD, with DSD and CD layers. Disc plays in either an SACD player or a CD. And if people cared about quality they would have bought an SACD player to to play their MOFI SACDs on.
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    I examined my Jarre MOFI and it doesn't carry any claims about sound quality or mastering at all.

    It's a gold-colored disc and when you open the jewel case a little arm pushes the hub forward and makes the disc easier to remove, but I find it trickier to put back.

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