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    Quote Originally Posted by MudShark22 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    Update on my speaker refoaming:

    I still haven't gotten around to it. Check back here for any further lack of updates as they don't happen.
    Here you go:

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    Did you know Nagra makes turntables?

    https://www.analogplanet.com/content...layback-system

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    I've been turntable-less for a few years since my old one bit the dust. I was going to revamp the entire system next year when the biggest chunk of my retirement comes out of hiding. But my brother had a Bang and Olufsen table that had been barely used and a few weeks ago I picked it up. I love the clarity of my CDs but there is a certain romance to putting on a record and taking time to listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    I love the clarity of my CDs but there is a certain romance to putting on a record and taking time to listen.
    Yep. I still love both formats but you're right. The one I haven't got into yet is network streaming, besides using Spotify in my car due to no cd player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I couldn’t find the penis hole for the BJ you get while putting the vinyl on the platter.
    It's in the record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerjo View Post
    I've been turntable-less for a few years since my old one bit the dust. I was going to revamp the entire system next year when the biggest chunk of my retirement comes out of hiding. But my brother had a Bang and Olufsen table that had been barely used and a few weeks ago I picked it up. I love the clarity of my CDs but there is a certain romance to putting on a record and taking time to listen.
    B&O is quality audio. Yours isn't the vertical one, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    I couldn’t find the penis hole for the BJ you get while putting the vinyl on the platter.
    It's in the record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeuhlmate View Post
    Did you know Nagra makes turntables?

    https://www.analogplanet.com/content...layback-system

    In my next life...
    The Nagra Reference Anniversary Turntable weighs 176 pounds and costs $175,000 or about $1000 a pound. In the exclusive world of exotic turntables, despite what appears to be the highest level of technology, materials and build quality, the price can rightly be called “lightweight”.
    That last line caused me temporary blindness as my eyes rolled so far into my skull I strained the ocular nerves.

    It's a good business model. They only have to find one sucker-err... customer. Wait until the buyer finds out his $1000/ft patch cables are incompatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    B&O is quality audio. Yours isn't the vertical one, is it?
    It's not the vertical. It's a Beogram 1800. https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=275
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    Anybody ever heard any Tyler Acoustics loudspeakers? This was designed by GR Research Danny Richie who seems to know his stuff inside and out. This looks amazing for $2400. Definitely curious....

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    This has turned into an 80 page (and counting) debate on the Hoffman forums, but I don't think I've seen it posted here. Some of you may find this interesting, regarding Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs sourcing their most recent releases from digital. I don't have a horse in this race, thankfully!

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...-2015.1150351/

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    Not surprising. Can most people with modest hifi systems even tell? I probably couldn't. People are so bent on buying fully analog recordings, so, don't buy any recent reissues or modern LPs. I only buy original pressings from Discogs so I know what I'm getting. This does suck though.

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    In today's age, I can't imagine anything in the recording/production phase not being digital. I can remember when some labels back in the '90s touting CD releases that were DDD or "pure digital". I'm glad I listen to music and not gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    In today's age, I can't imagine anything in the recording/production phase not being digital. I can remember when some labels back in the '90s touting CD releases that were DDD or "pure digital". I'm glad I listen to music and not gear.
    Why do those listening methods have to be mutually exclusive? Seems like a bit of a false dichotomy to me.

    I have a fairly high end system, and consider myself an audiophile, but the vast majority of my listening is to the music, with little or no regards to how the gear sounds.

    But that does not also mean, I can't have a hell of a lot of fun, spending a couple of hours every couple of weeks, doing nothing by listening to the gear. Making changes to speaker placement, swapping out a piece of gear, tweaking tonearm settings (VTA, tracking force), putting isolation under my CD player or DAC, etc, and concentrating almost exclusively how those changes effect the sound of the system. And yes, this may even include listening to a few 'audiophile approved' recordings.

    And after I am finished with the above few hours listening to the gear, I go back to being a "music first" audiophile.

    Alan Parsons was simply wrong when he said, “Audiophiles don’t use their equipment to listen to your music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their equipment.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by simon moon View Post
    Alan Parsons was simply wrong when he said, “Audiophiles don’t use their equipment to listen to your music. Audiophiles use your music to listen to their equipment.”
    I think he was right.

    Who said listening methods have to be mutually exclusive? Not me. I'll usually listen to music any way I can get it, as long as it's music i like. I've never owned a 'audition disc' (I'd take CDs to audition speakers). I never cared if a CD was 'pure digital' or not. And yes, i remember guys complaining at big box stores that they couldn't hear a CD player before buying it, having gone through the trouble of bringing their boutique audiophile label reissue CD. While vinyl involves more ritual than CD (and CD slightly more than playing off a memory device) audiophiles did try in ernest back in the early 90s to introduce ritual into CD playback. Gold CDs, green markers around the edges, freezing and deguassing CDs, isolating cones. I knew a record store that sold rings that snapped around the edges of the CD so as to maintain proper rpm for accurate reading.

    I've never been much of a gear guy because I've never been much of a ritual guy. Not saying there's anything wrong with being a ritual guy. I tend to be an economist.

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    I used this to demo Vandersteen speakers for a friend. The medium to high end audio dealer was surprised and had never heard it before. Demo music is absolutely necessary to determine speaker choices. I experienced one case of CD player comparison in which the difference was significant between two players.
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    My wife and I brought a stack of at least a dozen CDs to test when we got our living room system. I have refined the stack down to a single CD-R but I might just bring another stack when I overhaul the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    In today's age, I can't imagine anything in the recording/production phase not being digital. I can remember when some labels back in the '90s touting CD releases that were DDD or "pure digital". I'm glad I listen to music and not gear.
    The most recent Foo Fighter's albums were all analog. Recorded on a 24-track analog tape machine, and mixed through the desk once belonging to Sound City Studios. That's where Nirvana Nevermind was recorded BTW...also all analog. The only thing digital about the Foo Fighter's latest is the final CD mastering, exclusively for CD distribution.

    I remember Angalgard and Wobbler bragging their albums were recorded on all analog equipment, using all analog instruments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    I think he was right.

    Who said listening methods have to be mutually exclusive? Not me. I'll usually listen to music any way I can get it, as long as it's music i like. I've never owned a 'audition disc' (I'd take CDs to audition speakers). I never cared if a CD was 'pure digital' or not. And yes, i remember guys complaining at big box stores that they couldn't hear a CD player before buying it, having gone through the trouble of bringing their boutique audiophile label reissue CD. While vinyl involves more ritual than CD (and CD slightly more than playing off a memory device) audiophiles did try in ernest back in the early 90s to introduce ritual into CD playback. Gold CDs, green markers around the edges, freezing and deguassing CDs, isolating cones. I knew a record store that sold rings that snapped around the edges of the CD so as to maintain proper rpm for accurate reading.

    I've never been much of a gear guy because I've never been much of a ritual guy. Not saying there's anything wrong with being a ritual guy. I tend to be an economist.
    No, he was not right.

    Parsons was describing a small subset of audiophiles, not the majority.

    I belong to the largest audiophile club in the world, The LA Orange County Audio Society. I have been to quite a few member's homes and listened to their systems. A very high percentage of the audiophiles that are members, have very high end systems, some at the extreme level, I don't know a single one, who care more about their gear than the music.

    We have members who are: members of orchestras, studio musicians, jazz musicians, etc. We also have members who have season tickets to the LA Phil at the Disney Hall, others I see at jazz clubs fairly regularly. And this is LA, not exactly an easy place to get around and find parking, yet these well off audiophiles care enough about the music, to leave the comfort of their homes and their very high end systems, to brave LA traffic on a regular basis to attend live concerts. That does not sound much like people who care more about their gear than the music.

    I think the problem is, that most people, Alan Parsons included, only encounter audiophiles in audio magazines, on music forums on topics dealing with audio gear (like this one), or on audio forums discussing the minutia of audio gear. Or possibly at an audiophile's home. And sure, under those circumstances, the audio gear is the topic of discussion, so, of course people will be discussing how certain gear reproduces certain music.

    But if you think the vast majority of people, during their private listening sessions are paying more attention to the gear, than the music, you (and Parsons) are wrong.

    Who said listening methods have to be mutually exclusive?
    You did when you said, "I'm glad I listen to music and not gear."

    This statement definitely implies, that there are 2 ways to listen, or 2 types of people, those who listen to the music, or those who listen to the gear.

    And I went on to describe, that I am able to switch between the 2 different ways to listen to music, and have fun doing both. Although I get more enjoyment out of listening to music, I can also switch into the mode where I enjoy the hell out of listening to the gear.
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    There was a high quality video of a Greek Audiophile group released in the 00s. It was highly entertaining and I watched it many times. The soundtrack was a killer - first time I ever heard Jackie du Pre or Arild Andersen. I recall one of the members of the club saying when asked about listening to gear, "some people say when they listen, the speakers disappear. When I listen to music, I disappear. There is ONLY the music." I rather like that notion.

    As I continue to fart around with vinyl now that I have a functioning turntable again, I like that the ritual of putting on an album gets me involved more in the music. I have to be really invested in hearing music if I go through the bother of taking a record out of the sleeve, cleaning it off, and then putting needle to vinyl. I am not saying it sounds better than the CD, that's getting into Rcarlberg territory. But there is an intimacy with the music that I enjoy. There is only the music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    This has turned into an 80 page (and counting) debate on the Hoffman forums, but I don't think I've seen it posted here. Some of you may find this interesting, regarding Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs sourcing their most recent releases from digital. I don't have a horse in this race, thankfully!

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...-2015.1150351/

    Geez Louise, in one more day that thread is now at 125 pages. I ain't wading through all that but I imagine it's people either bickering about Mofi or defending them. Mike from The In Groove got into a heated debate with Michael Fremer a few months ago involving lacquers so that's probably thrown into the mix as well. I've bought a few MFSLs over the past few years and most of them sound excellent. I'm not quite as passionate about keeping the signal fully analog but I also empathize with customers who feel that they've been lied to since 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rael View Post
    Geez Louise, in one more day that thread is now at 125 pages. I ain't wading through all that but I imagine it's people either bickering about Mofi or defending them. Mike from The In Groove got into a heated debate with Michael Fremer a few months ago involving lacquers so that's probably thrown into the mix as well. I've bought a few MFSLs over the past few years and most of them sound excellent. I'm not quite as passionate about keeping the signal fully analog but I also empathize with customers who feel that they've been lied to since 2015.

    I like one of the comments from that video: I’d love MOFI to sell DSD versions. I believe that the higher rate DSD (5.6 MHz) conversion could have been used. That is a desired archiving format. Regular SACDs are 2.8 (MHZ). DSD was specified by Sony to match the best tape machines. If analog is converted to DSD, stored with no change, and then converted to analog to support record production, that is great. Any conversion to any other digital format is not what was intended by Sony. Conversion to and from DSD is effectively no impact on the sound. Any other analog or digital processing is impacting to some degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simon moon View Post
    No, he was not right.

    Parsons was describing a small subset of audiophiles, not the majority.
    it doesn't matter if he is/was right or not, I agree with him.

    I believe people can do both listen to gear and music but the core of audiophiliacs are in the constant pursuit of never being satisfied with their rigs. I'd rather own more music than to always budget for the latest greatest audio voodoo.

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