Perhaps this is a mix?
Starless. - Eddie Jobson, John Wetton, Machacheck, Minneman, Reunion. UK Live in Tokyo. 2012
Must admit that Jobson led bands playing Crimson material doesn't sit so well with me, yes I know Wetton was in the KC line-up at that time, and they sound great but for what ever reason it just doesn't feel right.
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I blame Wynton, what was the question?
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^^^ My sentiments too. They are not interpreting the tune, but more like trying to replicate it.
Woops, I should have written "among the people I knew who were big fans of King Crimson, Yes and ELP" because that group was giving tickets away once the album came out. Luckily for Asia's accountants it was the Boston/Journey/AOR fans that were the biggest part of Asia's fan base that allowed them to go from a 3,000 seater band to arenas so quickly. And Guitar Geek is correct, from the Asia Wikipedia entry:This is correct.... the poster who said 'you couldn't give tickets away' is talking out of his ass!!!
In any event, the next leg of their 1983 U.S. tour (which had begun in the summer but shut down suddenly on 10 September after a performance at Pine Knob in Detroit), scheduled for the autumn, was abruptly cancelled, reportedly because of low ticket sales.
I only saw them once, on the Alpha tour and the Long Beach Arena was nowhere close to being sold out. I only went because my friend Steve wanted to go. He hated ELP, Yes and especially King Crimson, but he loved Journey and all that kind of stuff.
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Perhaps Red, the last of the run, was more programmatic, less improvised--and heavier. But Larks Tongue's, Starless, USA, all had quite a bit of improv. And quite a bit of it swung, even the odd-metered stuff, IMO. Listening to the Great Deceiver set you can see how much improv was happening. Wetton actually gets pretty funky. Some people say Bruford doesn't swing, but I think he does.
UK, on the other hand, was much more "composed"--I hear lots of classical music influence, and "songs" with dense arrangements, etc.--not much improv, and not much rhythmic swing in their music. If your definition of "Jazz" is guitar 'doodlings," as you call it, well, lots of folks would see any "Prog" as collective doodling. I don't find Allan's playing on UK's debut very "jazz" really....Hell, much of what the Crimson line-up did you could call "Collective Doodling."
In fact, Allan's unhappiness with UK was because he felt "locked in" to playing the same thing every night--or so I've read. That's an argument against "Jazz" in UK's music, for sure.
I feel the opposite. Saw Crimson last Saturday in Philadelphia and although I enjoyed it, it got a bit boring at times. Yes it was incredible to watch these 7 amazing musicians play this fantastic and challenging music with such confidence and skill, BUT, I admit to liking a little showmanship at concerts.
While Jakko did a competent job on vocals, he's no match for John Wetton, nor was he even interesting to watch, as his place in the Crimson orchestra was anything but front and center.
And I love Eddie Jobson jamming out on the electric violin in Starless!! I'm still awed from when I first saw UK perform it a couple years ago in San Francisco.
I've seen Jobson/Wetton/UK perform a number of Crimson songs over the past few years and to my eyes and ears they are far more entertaining than Fripp and Co.
To each his own I guess.
That's kind of what happened with YES for the Drama tour. My (ex)bro-in-law went through a scalper to get 16th row tickets. Yay! Then - oh, by the way, Jon and Rick are gone. WHAT?!?! I remember seeing the first promo shot of the new lineup and thinking "please let the blond guy be the singer and not that dude with the goofy glasses" LOL! As it turned out, I LOVE Drama. ASIA - not so much. Saw the first tour at Poplar Creek, and I think I even bought a jersey, but man, what a disappointment that record was at the time. I actually like a lot of it (the debut) now, but it felt like a real "bait and switch" as a prog fan.
Tell me that this does not sound like a KC improv or that Wetton doesn't play a muscular and funky bass line.
I remember it being said that at the time, Yes broke the record for most number of sell out shows at Madison Square Garden in one engagement (four nights, or something like that). Anyway, I remember it being noted on one of the Yes fan sites that this statistic came into being before it was ever announced to the public that Jon and Rick were out of the band.
I also remember someone telling me the first he knew of it was when he was in line to buy tickets for a show on that tour, and saw the poster at the venue's box office, and noted that Jon and Rick weren't in the photo, but two unfamiliar looking guys were.
I didn't like the Going For The One > Tormato period at all, I thought Drama was a return to form, albeit not a "progression" on anything that had gone before.That's kind of what happened with YES for the Drama tour
Some things never change (Horn as a school boy)!I remember seeing the first promo shot of the new lineup and thinking "please let the blond guy be the singer and not that dude with the goofy glasses" LOL!
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Trevor Horn had the last laugh though. He had an incredible run as a songwriter & producer, including Yes.
That was the point I tried to make originally, but you put it perfectly.ASIA - not so much. Saw the first tour at Poplar Creek, and I think I even bought a jersey, but man, what a disappointment that record was at the time. I actually like a lot of it (the debut) now, but it felt like a real "bait and switch" as a prog fan.
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Here's TBG doing "Beelzebub" (album v live). Notice how wildly different they are. (NOT).
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