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    KC without question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    And I still haven't a clue how Fripp played Fracture.
    When I saw Fripp at Tower Records on his 1979 Frippertronics tour, during the Q&A someone in the audience asked him if he ever played fingerstyle. He said no that he flat picked everything with "a plectrum". Then he proceeded to play the impossibly fast middle part of Fracture as all of our jaws collectively hit the floor. I was sitting directly in front of him and I'll never forget that moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Scherze View Post
    How can you say that?

    UK IS Crimson with the bland Cross replaced by a true keyboard and violin virtuoso; and that robotic Fripp (who, only the Kool-Aid drinking cultists like) replaced by a real master of the guitar and improvisation, Holdworth!!!
    You start a thread debating the merits of two thirty-year-old albums from two bands, one very obscure and the other very-very-very obscure (these are facts despite what the denizens of this forum would like to imagine). Can you say "trivial waste of time"?

    Move out of your parent's basement, get a job, kiss a girl, get a life.

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    Not a big fan of Wetton KC. Larks and Red have some cool parts but the lack of keys and melody are a bit of a hole. The best tracks are the slow ones. The 2 UK albums are more enjoyable although slightly daggy in parts lol

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    I tired the first U.K. album again last night, made it as far as "Time to Kill." It seems that Jobson really kills the thing for me - what he is laying down is not my cup of tea in any way. Plus it is difficult to hear Wetton and not think how much better the music of King Crimson fit his vocal style at that point. His voice and Jobson's keys seem to clash in feel and tone throughout the album.

    The O.P. accused Fripp of jazz noodling? So much of this album seems to be drowning in marinara, to these ears anyway, and I like sonic spaghetti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by painter View Post
    You start a thread debating the merits of two thirty-year-old albums from two bands, one very obscure and the other very-very-very obscure (these are facts despite what the denizens of this forum would like to imagine). Can you say "trivial waste of time"?

    Move out of your parent's basement, get a job, kiss a girl, get a life.
    I started this thread as a parody of another thread, Mr. Observant.

    And, if you want an example of a trivial waste of time, I submit your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notallwhowander View Post
    The O.P. accused Fripp of jazz noodling?
    Fripp?? You should re-read my original post, Buck-o.

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    Starless and Bible Black changed my life; UK was merely very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arabicadabra View Post
    Starless and Bible Black changed my life; UK was merely very good.
    ^this. SaBB was my 1st King Crimson album and changed my life as well.
    I'm using the chicken to measure it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Scherze View Post
    I started this thread as a parody of another thread, Mr. Observant.
    Parody or not, it is still a waste of time. Add in name-calling and you've really put in my place.

    Quote Originally Posted by A. Scherze View Post
    And, if you want an example of a trivial waste of time, I submit your post.
    Is that the "I know you are, but what am I?" retort? Or the "I'm rubber, you're glue" declaration?

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    KC, with their incessant and boring noodling-improv, does nothing for me. I'll take UK.
    The first side of SaBB is not as good as the second side of Tarkus let alone anything from the first U.K. album.
    U.K. sounds like a poorly fashioned result of a prog Lego set. The sum is far less than its the parts, IMO. While I've tried many times with "In the Dead of Night/By the Light of Day," only one time did that soup sounded anywhere near pleasant. Those keyboard sounds hit my ear worse than nails on a chalkboard.
    Not a big fan of Wetton KC. Larks and Red have some cool parts but the lack of keys and melody are a bit of a hole.
    I tired the first U.K. album again last night, made it as far as "Time to Kill." It seems that Jobson really kills the thing for me - what he is laying down is not my cup of tea in any way.

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    Extremely tough for me.

    U.K.'s debut is perhaps in my top five desert island collection. There isn't a single weak track on it, to my ears.

    But I wore out Lark's Tongue In Aspic, Starless And Bible Black and Red through a couple of vinyl albums from hundreds of playings.

    As a single album goes, I think UK's s/t beats any of the three Wetton/Bruford-era KC albums, BUT...

    Take Red, remove Providence, and replace with Fracture, and that album is every bit as strong.

    On live recordings, the KC unit seems far more cohesive than the rather disjointed four-piece UK band. Holdsy seems out of place there, unlike his effort on Bruford's Rock Goes To College.

    As improvisationalists go, KC by a mile. Eddie seems to be far more dependent on structure, which he excels. I suppose this is another reason why Eddie and Allan clash.

    If one was to pit Lark's Tongue In Aspic, Starless And Bible Black and Red with U.K's debut, Feels Good To Me and One Of A Kind, then take the top ten cuts off each, I would be very hard-pressed to pick the victor. I love them all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by painter View Post
    Parody or not, it is still a waste of time. Add in name-calling and you've really put in my place.



    Is that the "I know you are, but what am I?" retort? Or the "I'm rubber, you're glue" declaration?
    Painter, this entire board is largely a waste of time, as is Twitter, Facebook and every other type of social media. I have no problems with these little subjectivities. Beats the heck out of yet another thread that wonders how much better Davidson is than David or Jon Anderson...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGuitarist View Post
    U.K.C.
    This almost happened.

    When Fripp was coming off his hiatus, he wanted to put a group together with Wetton, Bruford, and Jobson called "The League of Gentlemen".
    However, after touring with Gabriel, he decided he wasn't yet ready to work that way and backed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by painter View Post
    Is that the "I know you are, but what am I?" retort? Or the "I'm rubber, you're glue" declaration?
    Move out of your parent's basement, get a job, kiss a girl, get a life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavgator View Post
    Take Red, remove Providence, and replace with Fracture, and that album is every bit as strong.
    Not Fracture, but Asbury Park.

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    Eddie Jobson will provide the answer to this question for only $95 in a personal e-mail response (provided you sign a document not to share his answer with anyone else). Visa M/C accepted as well as Paypal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Scherze View Post
    Move out of your parent's basement, get a job, kiss a girl, get a life.
    I must have touched a nerve.

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    melody

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    Quote Originally Posted by WytchCrypt View Post
    When I saw Fripp at Tower Records on his 1979 Frippertronics tour, during the Q&A someone in the audience asked him if he ever played fingerstyle. He said no that he flat picked everything with "a plectrum". Then he proceeded to play the impossibly fast middle part of Fracture as all of our jaws collectively hit the floor. I was sitting directly in front of him and I'll never forget that moment.
    If you watch the Live In Japan video from the Three Of A Perfect Pair tour (reissued on the Neal And Jack And Me DVD), there's a brief section where Fripp is shown playing that bit on, his Roland G-303, unplugged, accompanied by a metronome. This leads me to believe that:

    a. That bit of music was part of his regular practice/warm up routine, possibly even to this day

    and

    b. It's quite possible that a lot of the more "difficult" bits we hear in his guitar work, say the "manual sequencer" stuff in the 80's era records or the recurring them in the Larks Tongues pieces, also had their genesis in his practice routines, ie something that he initially devised as a means of improving his playing technique, and then incorporated into pieces that the public would get to hear.

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    Beats me.
    The two indispensable cds for me are Danger Money + Red.

    Agreed that Asbury Park eats Providence alive. Still, a cool jam (from a musician/improviser's POV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Man In The Mountain View Post
    Eddie Jobson will provide the answer to this question for only $95 in a personal e-mail response (provided you sign a document not to share his answer with anyone else). Visa M/C accepted as well as Paypal.

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