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    AOR Prog?

    The current debates about sub-prog genres doesn't seem to take into consideration bands like Styx, Starcastle,Kansas et al & dare I say it Pink Floyd (post WYWH).Therefore is there a case for a sub-genre called AOR Prog, if not where do they fit?

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    AOR is a radio format, not a musical genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    if not where do they fit?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_rock
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    So its prog Jim, but not as we know it!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    AOR is a radio format, not a musical genre.
    Interesting, so what musical genre are Boston, REO Speedwagon,Journey et al ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    Interesting, so what musical genre are Boston, REO Speedwagon,Journey et al ?
    Rock music. Why does it need to be more complicated than that?! Beyond that, one might say there's varying degrees of MOR pop inclinations, but that's as far as I would go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    AOR is a radio format, not a musical genre.
    True but there is a sound associated with it. APP is AOR Prog to me.

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    The term "AOR Prog" seems like an oxymoron to me.

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    I cover this "AOR Prog" concept at length here on RYM.

    It's not the focus of the piece, but in effect, that's what it boils down to. American bands that wanted to be progressive, but more or less needed to streamline their sound to be radio friendly (though some ignored this temptation altogether). I'm not overly concerned exactly where it fits in the continuum of music genres, but I personally have found the entire genre utterly fascinating - especially the history and the region it comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Rock music. Why does it need to be more complicated than that?! Beyond that, one might say there's varying degrees of MOR pop inclinations, but that's as far as I would go.
    Is/was REO Speedwagon at all prog?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    Is/was REO Speedwagon at all prog?
    Only the first 8 seconds of Riding The Storm Out, other than that absolutely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Only the first 8 seconds of Riding The Storm Out, other than that absolutely not.
    I'll bet those 8 seconds kick ass.

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    I'd think that the more "adventurous" tracks from the normal AOR bands, and the more "arena rock" tracks from tradition prog bands would fit in this category.

    So, you have Boston's "Foreplay/Long Time" here, as well as Yes' 90125, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trurl View Post
    Only the first 8 seconds of Riding The Storm Out, other than that absolutely not.
    "last song, people!"

    Thank Jeebus for that.

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    90125 is pretty much a strange category unto itself. It's fresh, definitely popular, song based.

    But NOT AOR.

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    So I tried Kansas & Styx again tonight and nope still doing nothing for me, back to Univers Zero and Shub Niggurath
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    Rock music. Why does it need to be more complicated than that?! Beyond that, one might say there's varying degrees of MOR pop inclinations, but that's as far as I would go.
    You could ask the same question about Prog!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashratom View Post
    American bands that wanted to be progressive, but more or less needed to streamline their sound to be radio friendly (though some ignored this temptation altogether).
    A very comprehensive review of what AOR prog has been. For a certain period of time it was indeed a subgenre -albeit localized in Midwest and Ontario Canada. I would add some heavier bands (bordering on heavy metal), that combined heaviness, progressive rock (mostly Yes & ELP) influences and an FM friendly edge. ALPHA CENTAURI, MORNINGSTAR (more AORish), ALKANA (more metallic) and ASIA (from Dakota) to the list.

    And definitively, AOR prog ain't Steve Howe's ASIA and the likes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashratom View Post
    I cover this "AOR Prog" concept at length here on RYM.

    It's not the focus of the piece, but in effect, that's what it boils down to. American bands that wanted to be progressive, but more or less needed to streamline their sound to be radio friendly (though some ignored this temptation altogether). I'm not overly concerned exactly where it fits in the continuum of music genres, but I personally have found the entire genre utterly fascinating - especially the history and the region it comes from.

    If nothing else, you might learn a new album or two
    Good article! Not my taste in bands, but it puts them into context well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    The current debates about sub-prog genres doesn't seem to take into consideration bands like Styx, Starcastle,Kansas et al & dare I say it Pink Floyd (post WYWH).
    Post WYWH includes "Animals" - implying "Animals" is AOR ?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Post WYWH includes "Animals" - implying "Animals" is AOR ?!?
    S'cuse my ignorence. Thought Animals pre-dated WYWH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    So I tried Kansas & Styx again tonight and nope still doing nothing for me, back to Univers Zero and Shub Niggurath
    Face it, Ian - you're not an American!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    & dare I say it Pink Floyd (post WYWH).
    You'd be on stronger ground with post The Final Cut, post Water's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    Face it, Ian - you're not an American!
    My passport says different but you're probably right
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Singh View Post
    90125 is pretty much a strange category unto itself. It's fresh, definitely popular, song based.

    But NOT AOR.
    Quote Originally Posted by spacefreak View Post
    And definitively, AOR prog ain't Steve Howe's ASIA and the likes...
    Very much disagree on both counts.
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