Uncut - Fripp - resentment - Yes

**bondegezou** · 08-06-2014

The latest issue of UK magazine Uncut (Sep 2014) has big articles on Crimson, Yes and Robert Plant. In the Crimson article, Fripp says:

This is the first King Crimson [...] where at least one member of the band does not hold resentment or active antipathy towards me.

Hmmm... so the only member of the last Crimson not in this time around is Belew, so is he saying Belew holds resentment or antipathy towards him? (Or maybe one of the other band members used to be resentful, but aren't now?) And who was it in 1974? Wetton or Bruford?

Fripp also hints at new material: the article says Fripp has made a start, "but we don't have the time for me to continue that process at the moment."

Haven't got to the Yes article yet!

Henry

**progman1975** · 08-06-2014

As much as I love Fripp, sometimes he's just need to stfu...

**rcarlberg** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by progman1975

As much as I love Fripp, sometimes he's just need to stfu...

Or do a little self-reflection on why his bands always end up hating him.

**Dave (in MA)** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by bondegezou

Hmmm... so the only member of the last Crimson not in this time around is Belew, so is he saying Belew holds resentment or antipathy towards him?

There was the whole I Have A Dream thing that went on between them.

**progman1975** · 08-06-2014

Belew comes across as one of the nicest guys ever..and I remember reading Wetton sayin that he'd thought he was gonna be in Crimson a long time....

**N_Singh** · 08-06-2014

Uh,

McDonald
Haskell
boz
Broof
Belew
Gunn

Just speculating here. Now Levin and Fripp have always seemed to have gotten along swimmingly

What's the Yes article?

**bondegezou** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by N_Singh

What's the Yes article?

It's an 'Album by Album' feature. Albums are Yes, The Yes Album-Tormato, 90125 and Heaven & Earth, each with short quotes from Anderson, White, Howe and/or Squire. Those cover the familiar stories, but some new stuff: interesting to see Anderson, White and Howe all being so negative about Tormato. 3 pages. Plant gets a huge article, 11 pages.

Henry

**Mister Triscuits** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by Dave (in MA)

There was the whole I Have A Dream thing that went on between them.

And in the '80s incarnation, there was the incident where Belew kicked Fripp out of the studio during the mixing of Beat.

**Paulrus** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by bondegezou

It's an 'Album by Album' feature. Albums are Yes, The Yes Album-Tormato, 90125 and Heaven & Earth, each with short quotes from Anderson, White, Howe and/or Squire.

So what does Anderson have to say about H&E?

**polmico** · 08-06-2014

I thought Fripp walked out (as opposed to be kicked out) during the final production of Beat, and no one knew if he was going to return or not.

I guess the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

**Paulrus** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by polmico

I thought Fripp walked out (as opposed to be kicked out) during the final production of Beat, and no one knew if he was going to return or not.

I guess the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Also, wasn't Bill unhappy with the rhythmic ideas and production on Three of a Perfect Pair, which he considered too pop-y? I thought that was cause of friction between him and Fripp, but this is based on something I remember reading a long time ago.

**mogrooves** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by Paulrus

I thought that was cause of friction between [Bruford] and Fripp

I've always found it puzzling that Fripp continued to work with him, as critical of his playing as he was.

**Baribrotzer** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by mogrooves

I've always found it puzzling that Fripp continued to work with him, as critical of his playing as he was.

Who else could have done it? Also, maybe Bruford was very good at coming up with parts Fripp liked - even though every time he first had to be argued into not playing jazz or anything like it.

This is entirely a guess.

**Kim Olesen** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by bondegezou

The latest issue of UK magazine Uncut (Sep 2014) has big articles on Crimson, Yes and Robert Plant. In the Crimson article, Fripp says:

Hmmm... so the only member of the last Crimson not in this time around is Belew, so is he saying Belew holds resentment or antipathy towards him? (Or maybe one of the other band members used to be resentful, but aren't now?) And who was it in 1974? Wetton or Bruford?

Fripp also hints at new material: the article says Fripp has made a start, "but we don't have the time for me to continue that process at the moment."

Haven't got to the Yes article yet!

Henry

Pretty sure it's Trey Gunn.
As for 74 it could be both Bruford or Cross.

**JKL2000** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by Paulrus

So what does Anderson have to say about H&E?

"It's no FFH."

**oilersfan** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by Kim Olesen

Pretty sure it's Trey Gunn.
As for 74 it could be both Bruford or Cross.

Trey wasn't in the '08 KC lineup so, if Fripp's quotation is genuine, it wouldn't apply to him. And, honestly, what possible beef would Gunn have with Fripp in the first place? 'You gave me a career--but not a terribly profitable one.'?

**Mister Triscuits** · 08-06-2014

Unless something crucial is hidden by the ellipsis in the quote, if we take Fripp literally (which he deserves, given the labored and affected syntax he uses), he is actually saying that all past members of King Crimson have held resentment or antipathy toward him, and this is the first lineup to include someone who does not.

**JKL2000** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by Mister Triscuits

Unless something crucial is hidden by the ellipsis in the quote, if we take Fripp literally (which he deserves, given the labored and affected syntax he uses), he is actually saying that all past members of King Crimson have held resentment or antipathy toward him, and this is the first lineup to include someone who does not.

That's the way I took it, though I thought he might be exaggerating.

**2steves** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by bondegezou

The latest issue of UK magazine Uncut (Sep 2014) has big articles on Crimson, Yes and Robert Plant. In the Crimson article, Fripp says:

Hmmm... so the only member of the last Crimson not in this time around is Belew, so is he saying Belew holds resentment or antipathy towards him? (Or maybe one of the other band members used to be resentful, but aren't now?) And who was it in 1974? Wetton or Bruford?

Fripp also hints at new material: the article says Fripp has made a start, "but we don't have the time for me to continue that process at the moment."

Haven't got to the Yes article yet!

Henry

Pretty sure Bill had antipathy toward him, he's sort of an annoying ego maniac

---wonder if Fripp sees a shrink? lol----wouldn't be so sure no one holds antipathy in this line-up---how would you really know? I'd watch my back.

**Genital Giant** · 08-06-2014

I'm sure Fripp would be a fairly tough guy to be in a band with. It's more or less his way or the highway and he can be crazy anal about some things (photos, etc.).

**notallwhowander** · 08-06-2014

Read Fripp with very dry irony in mind, something that does not immediately translate in quotes taken from their original context, written down, and posted on the internet.

**jrw** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by Genital Giant

I'm sure Fripp would be a fairly tough guy to be in a band with. It's more or less his way or the highway and he can be crazy anal about some things (photos, etc.).

I'm sure Fripp would be a barrel of laughs at the Meet and Greet.

**Oreb** · 08-06-2014

Assuming he's serious (which is not a safe assumption, but just for the hell of it), he has probably put his finger on why so many incarnations of the band were so good: that underlying sense of conflict and tension is everywhere in the music and it makes it special. The Who were always at their best when Townshend was being a prat to Daltrey.

If this new line-up of KC is really a sunshine-band then I don't hold out much hope for them!

**Obscured** · 08-06-2014

Originally Posted by jrw

I'm sure Fripp would be a barrel of laughs at the Meet and Greet.

I've been to 4 or 5 m & g in-store appearances with RF (80's-90's) and he was quite warm and charming, signing a number of records, programs, photos, ticket stubs and more.
He took time with everyone, listened attentively to what was said, answered with well thought out responses and was humorous in an "English" sort of way much like Bruford.
(Me- "I was at all the Savoy shows." RF- "So was I.")
It's when fans approach him on his personal time, pestering for autographs and pictures that he's not "accommodating". He owes nothing to anyone. As he has stated many times, more often than not, most fans who approach always end up wanting something more than a smile, handshake or polite conversation.