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  1. Thread: John Zorn

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    Mary Halvorson is recording a volume for Zorn's...

    Mary Halvorson is recording a volume for Zorn's forthcoming Bagatelles series, which is more atonal than the Masada series. If you like her Book of Angels album then you're in big trouble because...
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    I'm afraid you're showing your age. If you’re...

    I'm afraid you're showing your age. If you’re hoping to satirise a 'woman of a certain age’ and her husband, that's probably the sort of person who goes to a Marillion concert in the first place, and...
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    Yes, that's odd as well. He's entitled to believe...

    Yes, that's odd as well. He's entitled to believe whatever he pleases about his guitar and maybe he does love the Tele, but he strikes me as the sort of person who has scarcely been indifferent to...
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    I agree about Floor: her live version of “Ever...

    I agree about Floor: her live version of “Ever Dream” is to my taste better than the original and on my favourite Nightwish song (“Ghost Love Score”) she is good enough that I can listen to her...
  5. On a Prog forum it seems like letting off a bomb...

    On a Prog forum it seems like letting off a bomb in a greenhouse to complain about lyrics. Crimson lyrics are what they are; they hardly have any bearing on a live recording.
  6. Oh for the love of ... you got me. Can't you...

    Oh for the love of ... you got me.

    Can't you go tease the fans of bands with a bigger following?
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    I love Nightwish more than is strictly healthy,...

    I love Nightwish more than is strictly healthy, but I’m too old to be part of a Nightwish audience which always appears to be a headbanger crowd. Their music has an appeal way beyond Metal but they...
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    Tokyo Operations isn't really a John Zorn album....

    Tokyo Operations isn't really a John Zorn album. Although it's a performance of one of his game pieces, he isn't the prompter and none of the musicians are his musicians. For me, it’s a 'completists...
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    In the light of that I'm wondering @ytserush is...

    In the light of that I'm wondering @ytserush is actually the unlucky one ...
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    I never heard Dave Kilminster. Niko I only know...

    I never heard Dave Kilminster. Niko I only know from Get All You Deserve, and he made a positive contribution as a textural performer, although I suspect SW didn't feel that this was what he needed a...
  11. Love the album so I'll more than likely be in.

    Love the album so I'll more than likely be in.
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    I chose the word adequate carefully: technically,...

    I chose the word adequate carefully: technically, he's capable of playing the music but I didn't feel that he added anything to the band. I'd be interested to hear other opinions.
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    For me a mid-life crisis would be: he was doing...

    For me a mid-life crisis would be: he was doing Porcupine Tree then suddenly he did Bass Communion or IEM for two years. He's always issued 'wayward' side projects, which is part of his artistic...
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    I wondered if it was news; certainly I've never...

    I wondered if it was news; certainly I've never read that he had said this. It seems bizarre to me, but perhaps it's why he didn't lock in Marco, Guthrie and Alan Parsons the way I expected him to.
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    To be honest SW plays PT songs superbly with his...

    To be honest SW plays PT songs superbly with his current band and To The Bone is the nearest he has come to releasing a PT album under his own name, so I think it’s almost academic. SW may have...
  16. The song with the rollerskating video had me...

    The song with the rollerskating video had me restless for the first couple of minutes, but once I zeroed in on the idea that with Orzabal’s vocals this could easily be a Tears For Fears song I felt...
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    Blundell, Beggs, Holtzman. No Theo Travis (and...

    Blundell, Beggs, Holtzman. No Theo Travis (and he's missed). The new guitarist is Alex Hutchings, who is adequate. Apparently Ninet is appearing at some concerts.
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    If people want to dance during “Permanating”...

    If people want to dance during “Permanating” that’s fine by me, but being told that I have to dance and, when I stand up, being lectured about how the greatest pop group was The Beatles and pop music...
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    Heliogabalus is the first one I think of for...

    Heliogabalus is the first one I think of for Prog. Zorn is often not 'pleasurable' as such and having the long Patton unaccompanied vocal will certainly be an insurmountable challenge for many but I...
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    I was there as well. Pretty much exactly the same...

    I was there as well. Pretty much exactly the same setlist as he has been playing recently. I wasn't wild about how curmudgeonly SW seemed in his comments from the stage but the most interesting thing...
  21. Thread: Kamelot Thread

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    I'm actually surprised by how much I like Kamelot...

    I'm actually surprised by how much I like Kamelot I haven't explored by any means, but I particularly like the piano version of "End of Innocence" and the acoustic version of "Veil of Elysium": both...
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    BBT strike me as a big forum favourite;...

    BBT strike me as a big forum favourite; commentary has generally been positive on them throughout the Prog community. Some people have said that they're not too keen on BBT but much of the criticism...
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    I've only been twice (it's a place of pilgrimage...

    I've only been twice (it's a place of pilgrimage for a Zorn fan) but the most recent time was last month. It's great to have some perspective on the history of the place.
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    I doubt that they have only listened to it once;...

    I doubt that they have only listened to it once; being a member of the BBT FB group I know that the fans pretty much blitzed the album as soon as it arrived. But having seen the praise coming in (in...
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    Loads of (welcome) violin but I don't see any...

    Loads of (welcome) violin but I don't see any brass in the credits or hear any on the album.



    That's harsh, but I recognise the description. Some of the self-identifying "Passengers" have been...
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    I think that track grew by accretion. It's not...

    I think that track grew by accretion. It's not padded - there are a load of ideas in it - but at the same time it doesn't flow well; I think that Nick has to work hard to hold it together, and...
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    Musical Landscape should, incidentally, be their...

    Musical Landscape should, incidentally, be their next album title.

    I worry that you're onto something here, because there is always that doubt at the back of my mind that maybe the novelty of...
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    Putting out too much music is not an absolute but...

    Putting out too much music is not an absolute but a relative judgement. John Zorn is notoriously prolific, but you wouldn't gain anything other than saving some disposable income if you could...
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    Huh! Could be mine as well ... I can still...

    Huh! Could be mine as well ... I can still remember putting the cassette (borrowed from a friend) into my walkman and hearing it for the first time. I had never heard such a complex...
  30. I can remember finding Misplaced Childhood...

    I can remember finding Misplaced Childhood disappointing when it came out: from what seemed like a very ordinary single in 'Kayleigh' to the sense of hearing the same song over and over again. But...
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    I'm third time through and I'm coming to the...

    I'm third time through and I'm coming to the conclusion that the first half of the album is close to a wash: each song has its moments in the instrumental sections, but there's just no real song...
  32. Yes, it's strange to me that these people are so...

    Yes, it's strange to me that these people are so skilled at hacking yet don't get anyone to check their English. To be honest, it will be very difficult to tell a scan like this from a real warning...
  33. For those that don't know: that inoccuous-seeming...

    For those that don't know: that inoccuous-seeming suggestion is actually for a series of film scores (possibly now complete) that runs to 25 discs. The stylistic range in that series is pretty broad:...
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    Very scattergun tastes. She loves Misplaced...

    Very scattergun tastes. She loves Misplaced Childhood, enjoys a lot of Big Big Train, will listen fairly contentedly to Dream Theater. She appreciates Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson's solo albums....
  35. Odd coincidence ... I had never even heard of the...

    Odd coincidence ... I had never even heard of the LPS until last week, when I was listening to the audiobook of Amanda Palmer's Art of Asking where Ka-Spel pops up as a figure in her life. It's a...
  36. Anyone who's ever fooled around with a guitar...

    Anyone who's ever fooled around with a guitar effects unit knows that there are effects for guitar that are just as odious as autotune, so basically there's no real difference between autotune and...
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    I had high hopes for Mangini because I'm not a...

    I had high hopes for Mangini because I'm not a Portnoy devotee but to be honest he has been disappointing. On the writing side, for good or ill, Rudess is in the ascendancy which means that the metal...
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    It's a pretty fair list but The Green Man should...

    It's a pretty fair list but The Green Man should be there near the top and I think there's a strong case to be made for Once near the bottom. It's interesting with Roy that nearly every fan is going...
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    New one to me, but that video persuaded me to buy...

    New one to me, but that video persuaded me to buy it and give them a go. They definitely need some help with their production sound: it's not bloated, like most Symphonic Metal, but it does sound...
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    This is a major reason why I'm surprised to find...

    This is a major reason why I'm surprised to find this album as a featured album on PE. Not all progressive music is focused on virtuosity but a lot of it is, and a lot of Symphonic Metal (especially...
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    Local Band Does OK is a great album; for me, so...

    Local Band Does OK is a great album; for me, so are Anchor Drops and Mantis. But there's no question that Death By Stereo was a big wobble and they haven't quite pulled it back with Similar Skin &...
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    I had genuinely high hopes for Mangini, and felt...

    I had genuinely high hopes for Mangini, and felt a bit sorry for the fact that he arrived too late to have any creative input into A Dramatic Turn Of Events, but I've been very disappointed: for all...
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    Despite owning (I think) all the other DT albums...

    Despite owning (I think) all the other DT albums I still hadn't preordered this when I read through the thread this morning, but two discs of DT is a lot for the money that they're asking on Amazon,...
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    I suspect that the people who get on best with...

    I suspect that the people who get on best with this e.p. will only be the ones who absolutely flipped for H.C.E. Personally, I estimated H.C.E. as my second best album of 2015 and I still think that...
  45. Huh. I've never heard of Shine On Brightly, so...

    Huh. I've never heard of Shine On Brightly, so I'll go with Ars Longa, although admittedly that is not really an answer to your question.
  46. I don't give SW a complete pass for invoking that...

    I don't give SW a complete pass for invoking that stereotype, but I think he's using it in the same way that, for example, videogamers joke about all videogamers living in their parents' basement:...
  47. The band's moves have been very deliberate and...

    The band's moves have been very deliberate and very conservative ... I'd say we're a few years off a US tour, if ever.
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    Ah, sorry. In a thread like this where the...

    Ah, sorry. In a thread like this where the content is all going to be opinion not information it's terribly easy to misread a sarcastic response. I never read an opinion on the internet so outlandish...
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    You may enjoy them more (and, fair enough, this...

    You may enjoy them more (and, fair enough, this does seem to be a list of favourites) but Magma mean something in terms of influence & importance; I'm not convinced that the same case could be made...
  50. I'm something of a booster for SW but I'm sorry...

    I'm something of a booster for SW but I'm sorry to see him playing the media game of attacking something else. Takes me back to the days when he smashed up iPods as a publicity stunt ... he should be...
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    Woah, steady on! Those are great songs. 'Waiting...

    Woah, steady on! Those are great songs. 'Waiting For The Big One' (his homage to Randy Newman) is extra special good.
  52. Yeah, yeah, and I'm going to finish that pipe...

    Yeah, yeah, and I'm going to finish that pipe rack ...
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    Give two apes a recording studio and some...

    Give two apes a recording studio and some instruments and they'll still release an album before Peter Gabriel.
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    My concert of the year was Big Big Train at...

    My concert of the year was Big Big Train at King's Place, followed by King Crimson in Birmingham.
  55. Thread: John Zorn

    by Sordel
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    Hmm, there's actually a lot of truth in that....

    Hmm, there's actually a lot of truth in that. More than I, as an ardent Zorn devotee, would normally want to concede!
  56. Thread: John Zorn

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    It's very noticeable that live, or when...

    It's very noticeable that live, or when programming an album, Zorn will often sequence by putting the most aggressive thing first. I think that he wants you to hear the consonant stuff in the context...
  57. Thread: John Zorn

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    I was looking at this year's list of releases and...

    I was looking at this year's list of releases and realised that I had only picked up eleven discs (of thirteen).

    Leng T'Che, Torture Garden and Naked City are (not surprisingly given that they...
  58. Thread: John Zorn

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    They're both good albums, but neither is...

    They're both good albums, but neither is especially 'progressive'. Xaphan sounds like film music and the Pat Metheny sounds like what it is: a Pat Metheny solo album. Zorn sails a lot closer to Prog...
  59. Thread: John Zorn

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    Most of his work is 'progressive' but if you're...

    Most of his work is 'progressive' but if you're looking for Prog in the sense of Rock idiom then it will be one of his many albums with John Medeski, which include the Simulacrum albums, the two...
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    The running time of the full set is 9HR 22Min of...

    The running time of the full set is 9HR 22Min of which the four new discs account for 4 nearly hours. So if you own everything previously released there's still a lot of new stuff.
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