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    ^ Steve Nilson sells more than Hocket and Marill....

    ^ Steve Nilson sells more than Hocket and Marill. I believe I saw figures of 50,000 for at least one of his solo records.

    Trond of Panzerpappa told me a few years back (i.e. pre-Pestrotte) that...
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    Yep. If this had been a new band of some sort...

    Yep. If this had been a new band of some sort releasing their debut on AltrOck or whatever, its appeal would have been limited to the usual circle of "avant" weirdheads.

    But I'd say that if a...
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    Concur. Great things; AltrOck stuff like...

    Concur.

    Great things; AltrOck stuff like Loomings, PoiL a.o., a handful of fresh British bands such as Trojan Horse, Thumpermonkey, Lost Crowns and more. Some nice stuff from France, a snippet of...
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    ^ THE most weirdo venture by my fave muppet &...

    ^ THE most weirdo venture by my fave muppet & crew:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-3D4Av-a4
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    Which is a great thing anyhow, yet I was baffled...

    Which is a great thing anyhow, yet I was baffled that Sweden's longtime largest vendor for "prog-rock" music, Record Heaven, only offered it as 'special import' - the project stemming from that very...
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    ^ I believe you're partly right, Udi. What's left...

    ^ I believe you're partly right, Udi. What's left of "avant-prog" is basically unrelated to traditional understandings of it, in that most current such artists tend to have their origins in...
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    As with Laurie Anderson's United States Live. Or...

    As with Laurie Anderson's United States Live. Or Zappa's Thing-Fish, for that matter.

    I neither love nor hate these projects, I merely perceive them as somewhat overblown and tiring. Some great...
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    I think I might have about 30 AltrOcks, and this...

    I think I might have about 30 AltrOcks, and this is in my top-5 from the label.

    With the demise of AltrOck and the semi-bygone of Cuneiform, there are hardly any interesting labels left who...
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    "Prog book" from an author who has already...

    "Prog book" from an author who has already written one on Beefheart - is MY kind of "prog book". So I'm in.
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    This is actually apparently true. When Mike...

    This is actually apparently true. When Mike Banfield (second/non-tapping guitarist) quit Don Cab before the American Don album, he gave an interview (MOJO, I think?) where the subject came to the...
  11. Big TITS!

    Big TITS!
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHIUNfu2vY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHIUNfu2vY
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    I don't think DP would have delivered...

    I don't think DP would have delivered particularly good renditions of Dregs material. Neither do I think Hendrix would have worked with either ELP or especially not Soft Machine (at the time).

    And...
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    :up
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    Long Live was never a very good album, IMO. And...

    Long Live was never a very good album, IMO. And Blackmore was hardly more than a mediocre songwriter himself, as far as I'm concerned. While I'm no longer too crazy about his guitarplaying either, he...
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    Ok.

    Ok.
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    I very much respect his rejection of 'superstar'...

    I very much respect his rejection of 'superstar' ambitions and his dedication to independent filmmaking for the past 40 years. But he appeared suspiciously frail in the recent pictures he was in. The...
  18. So much greatness from Argentina these past...

    So much greatness from Argentina these past years; Gardenia, Cucamonga, Deformica, Las Orejas y la Lengua and the wonderful ChauCoco. The latter especially should be heard by many more folx....
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    The greatest tune of ACB, IMHO, was "I Love the...

    The greatest tune of ACB, IMHO, was "I Love the Dead".

    Supposedly necrophiliac; its immense power occured to me when I saw it applied as a metaphor in a German (or Swiss/Austrian, I can't quite...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He_rFnCIEjs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He_rFnCIEjs
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    Another great band right there!

    Another great band right there!
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    B...B-but how can that BE? They're avant!! Even...

    B...B-but how can that BE? They're avant!! Even without Portnoy!
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    ^ "The Snowman" is essentially Howard Blake's...

    ^ "The Snowman" is essentially Howard Blake's "Walking In the Air" from the animated feature The Snowman. As with the "Weiss Heim" track I find these so-called 'adaptations' one of the least...
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    What you did was fart into someone else's thread...

    What you did was fart into someone else's thread to moralize subjectively on how little the contents of the thread mean to you personally. An act which sometimes works to enhance a discussion, but...
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    ^ I personally got into Tull at the behest of a...

    ^ I personally got into Tull at the behest of a Blackmore interview in 1985 where he namechecked them as "one of his fave bands".

    I still like Tull today, but I have little time for Blackmore...
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    ^ Progdreamer, the Art Bears (without quotation...

    ^ Progdreamer, the Art Bears (without quotation marks) are - and not in mere fringe circuits - considered a semi-legendary name in avant-garde rock. Not because of any "extremity" of sound, but due...
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    I was kinda hoping the whole Portnoy suggestion...

    I was kinda hoping the whole Portnoy suggestion was a joke. :(
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    ^ Thanks for setting everyone straight. It was...

    ^ Thanks for setting everyone straight. It was absolutely called for. One can never receive too much elevated moral from above; we surely need that to fight off such sickening spectacle as on display...
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    ^ I had the exact same experience when discussing...

    ^ I had the exact same experience when discussing with the drummer in one of my own bands during the mid-90s, him being very much a "trad-jazzer" and with little know of European schools of jazz; he...
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    I couldn't stand J.L. Turner's voice back then,...

    I couldn't stand J.L. Turner's voice back then, and I still can't. There were a handful of decent pop/rock tunes on those three albums with him, though - but flawed and sometimes marred by his vocal...
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    I agree, but then again these guys have so much...

    I agree, but then again these guys have so much going and indeed also evolving for them. There shouldn't even be a need for turning back and least of all without revision. Of course this is probably...
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    I dunno. I sorta felt that they'd already said...

    I dunno. I sorta felt that they'd already said what they had to say - and that was interesting but somewhat conclusive.
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    ^ There's certainly a point of truth to all that,...

    ^ There's certainly a point of truth to all that, and to be frank; my Dead-digging days are rather far behind now, but even at their most intense I would skip over "Johnny B. Goode" (on Skullfuck)...
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    ^ and Tetragon. I never had too much time for...

    ^ and Tetragon.

    I never had too much time for any of these except Here It Is, the first Trilogy. The bland tendency to 'copy' was one of the least enticing traits of 70s "symphonic" rock, and West...
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    Always. Killer, School's Out and BDB in...

    Always.

    Killer, School's Out and BDB in particular. The theatrical shock-rock-glam-slam idea was quite arty and coherent with the band back then.

    Not so much their ensuing stuff though, and...
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    Art Bears - sans quotation marks - are a...

    Art Bears - sans quotation marks - are a household name here at PE, at least with a few dozen prominent contributors. So are pretty much some 200 other artists in a considerably close proximity to...
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    ^ Huh? There's a virtual abundance of free...

    ^ Huh? There's a virtual abundance of free excursion with the Dead - official live albums, bootlegs, even some of their studio output. And I actually find that some of their folky stuff was plenty...
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    I'd say. As much as I still like some of ELP's...

    I'd say. As much as I still like some of ELP's stuff, they were hardly eclectic in the sense that the Dead sought to be (and were indeed sometimes successful at). The only overarching forms of music...
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    ^ Jackson's vocal input works wonders for "Since...

    ^ Jackson's vocal input works wonders for "Since I Last Saw You", a breezy jazzy ballad from King Progress, the debut Jackson Heights album. I have a hard time thinking of many others who'd sing it...
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    6 was and is their masterwork, on more or less...

    6 was and is their masterwork, on more or less universal consent. If that one doesn't thrill you, the Supers aren't really for you.
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    I see what you mean and I agree to some extent....

    I see what you mean and I agree to some extent. Jackson's "badness" is overrated - if not exactly exaggerated. If that makes any sense.
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    ^ Not really all that comparable, IMHO. Hammill,...

    ^ Not really all that comparable, IMHO. Hammill, Surkamp and Chapman were all apt singers, technically speaking, with admittedly very peculiar or even idiosyncratic voices. Whereas Jackson simply...
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    That's the point; they left the Canterburiana...

    That's the point; they left the Canterburiana behind with the first record - Smile a While. Which is very good still.
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    Hey, this thread is totally TAKIN' OFF NOW!! :up...

    Hey, this thread is totally TAKIN' OFF NOW!! :up

    Brainstorm takin' over completely. No more threads on each month's subsequent Yes live album or box set. It's all Brainstorm from now on.

    Of...
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    While Jackson was a technically very poor singer,...

    While Jackson was a technically very poor singer, some of his timbre actually worked to intent - especially with The Nice but also in his Jackson Heights project.
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    Second Smile is awesome, IMO - and way less...

    Second Smile is awesome, IMO - and way less derivative (Softs and SSister) than the debut. "Marilyn Monroe" has got to be one of the most tongue-in-cheek yet coolest pieces of campy vocal jazz-rock I...
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    Have to admit that I'm a bit underwhelmed. ...

    Have to admit that I'm a bit underwhelmed.

    Japan has been a virtual hotbed for excellent and sometimes hyper-advanced progressive rock in the Softs/Zappa/Picchio mold - from the fine (Flat 122,...
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    ^ While I don't really know if it "rules", the...

    ^ While I don't really know if it "rules", the song actually works - within the perimeter of the particular C-A aesthetic formula. The combination of (rather than contrast between) utter rampage...
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    I remember. But i do seem to recall how you made...

    I remember. But i do seem to recall how you made it (temporarily) available to read as well. I didn't get to take in all of it, though.

    Did you ever read Jarle Storløkken's (Panzerpappa) thesis on...
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    ^ There was also a Norwegian guy calling himself...

    ^ There was also a Norwegian guy calling himself trondis in here who published a PhD (or MD, I can't remember) on HC about a decade back. I read parts of it and it was highly informative and...
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    Wouldn't surprise me. I used to have friends who...

    Wouldn't surprise me. I used to have friends who were all stunned at the fact that Ken Vandermark worked with C-A during the late 90s. Obviously, during "post-rock" times all forces came together -...
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    Nice. Considering the relative obscurity of...

    Nice.

    Considering the relative obscurity of Henry Cow in the general rock book, the amount of academic (musical and social/cultural) writing on them is getting impressive. A complete anomaly.
  53. ^ Probably more Armagnac or Cognac than whisky,...

    ^ Probably more Armagnac or Cognac than whisky, though.

    Perhaps absinthe… The original brand.
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    I always loved this guy: ...

    I always loved this guy:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERo47ljiLYU
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    It only reminds me of how incredibly menacing and radical this scene actually was:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie_Hybcnlf0
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    ^ You need to stop listenin' so heavily to that...

    ^ You need to stop listenin' so heavily to that Glenn Medeiros song, Polmico!! There's more out there!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ0FyBGVdu8
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    ^ Agree, but it -really- takes time and effort to...

    ^ Agree, but it -really- takes time and effort to conceive music like theirs.

    Rehearsal and execution, but foremost the very idea of what's to be. And that's excrutiating.
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    ^ I believe it is the dress. I'm a dandy-dresser...

    ^ I believe it is the dress. I'm a dandy-dresser myself (became one as an act of protest when my first wife left me) and can talk, walk and drink most tossers under the stool. Dress and Sharp tongue...
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    ^ But it's precisely the apparent accessibility...

    ^ But it's precisely the apparent accessibility or "familiarity" which I believe would tend to distance some listeners, as it tended to do at times with the marvellous 5uu's, Thinking Plague a.o....
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    It is indeed a very "focused" (i.e. lineary)...

    It is indeed a very "focused" (i.e. lineary) intricacy at play here. Together with the skewed harmonics and the feeling of continuity between pieces, this makes for a most demanding listen. It...
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