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    I've heard several very good audience recordings....

    I've heard several very good audience recordings. For instance I believe Zeppelin's Montreux 1970 show is mostly an audience recording and it's remarkable, considering.

    I have very low tolerance...
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    No it's a shame. I enjoyed Vicky's contributions,...

    No it's a shame. I enjoyed Vicky's contributions, she didn't just turn up to promote her stuff like some*, she did contribute to other threads.

    *My personal favourite example of this was that...
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    Have heard the 'new' Osaka show. It's very good....

    Have heard the 'new' Osaka show. It's very good. A strong performance of the then-new 'Stairway To Heaven' and the acoustic set is great. 'Celebration Day' is terrific.

    Sadly it's in the cruddy...
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    ^It's the fanboy mentality of 'shut up, smile and...

    ^It's the fanboy mentality of 'shut up, smile and accept what you're given'. Trying to shut down any debate. I remember it well from Genesis forums, sadly.
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    Undoubtedly all true. And anyway, the moment has...

    Undoubtedly all true. And anyway, the moment has doubtless passed in terms of sales.

    I've heard the last two 1975 Earls Court shows, the last (25th May) was the best, I thought, especially with...
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    Yeah I know there was supposed to be a companion...

    Yeah I know there was supposed to be a companion to How The West Was Won, but it never happened. I don't understand why the Earls Court stuff also just sits on a shelf, besides the songs on the DVD.
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    I'm familiar with the famous one the day after....

    I'm familiar with the famous one the day after. It's a real patchwork quilt of sources, alas. I think a partial soundboard turned up since the version I heard but still not complete. I love the...
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    This thread will do. Mike Millard's masters have...

    This thread will do. Mike Millard's masters have surfaced, apparently including many previously uncirculated recordings. He recorded many a famous 70s rock show- Listen To This Eddie and For...
  9. I've been reading a few sources that say there...

    I've been reading a few sources that say there will be some sort of UK/Europe tour announcement next week- we shall see. I'm personally uncertain as to whether it's a good idea though, given Collins'...
  10. ^Interesting. I wonder why the promo CD-R for the...

    ^Interesting. I wonder why the promo CD-R for the (unreleased) BBC Sessions CD apparently used ropey off-air recordings for this session, then. (Well, that's what I've read- I've never had that CD-R...
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    ^Those 2002 remasters were so good. Admittedly I...

    ^Those 2002 remasters were so good. Admittedly I only heard two/three of the older ABKCO discs, but it's like a night and day difference from what I remember of those. And reviews were/are positive....
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    I'm not familiar with that version but I...

    I'm not familiar with that version but I understand that it's not the original bootleg, some of which was from Wembley. Certainly that amazing 'Street Fighting Man' was, with Taylor soloing like a...
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    I'm not sure whether it was known at the time,...

    I'm not sure whether it was known at the time, but Watts also had a heroin addiction during that mid 80s period. Definitely their lowest ebb as a band.

    I don't like Undercover that much either....
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    ^I love 'Salisbury'. The intro alone is epic. I...

    ^I love 'Salisbury'. The intro alone is epic. I play it more than Deep Purple's Concerto..., that's for sure.

    'I'll Keep On Trying' is another great song on Very 'Eavy. I quite like the less...
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    Uriah Heep hadn't really settled on a sound or...

    Uriah Heep hadn't really settled on a sound or even a line-up at that point (look at how many people are credited on Very 'Eavy...). But clearly things like 'Gypsy' were a sign of things to come.
  16. Indeed. Remind me of your reactions to criticisms...

    Indeed. Remind me of your reactions to criticisms of the Davis remixes again.
  17. I can see why they had that coda for 'Stagnation'...

    I can see why they had that coda for 'Stagnation' at this stage- it does sort of hold it together. To be honest, though, I always thought the closing section starting from 'and will I wait...
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    Easily their weakest album for me, sadly. 'One...

    Easily their weakest album for me, sadly. 'One Hit To The Body' and Richards' songs are the only things on here which do it for me. Jagger snarls rather than sings his way through most of it. Some of...
  19. I would agree. These recordings have promise, for...

    I would agree. These recordings have promise, for sure, but aren't yet 'great' IMHO. They are still a bit on the twee side and over-wordy, IMHO. I like the flute in 'Let Us Now Make Love' though!
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  20. An unpopular view on here but I love a fair bit...

    An unpopular view on here but I love a fair bit of the trio's output. And yes that includes the singles- the only one I don't really rate is 'Illegal Alien'. Even some of the ballads I'm fine with,...
  21. Squackett was just OK, I thought. Some of the...

    Squackett was just OK, I thought. Some of the songs Squire sang lead on didn't do that much for me. Yet again we get that reverb-drenched Roger King production style.

    I think some of the songs on...
  22. His 90s albums like Guitar Noir and Darktown are...

    His 90s albums like Guitar Noir and Darktown are better than his more recent ones IMHO.
  23. ^GTR was a blip for Hackett and one he didn't...

    ^GTR was a blip for Hackett and one he didn't particularly enjoy. The 90s saw him in more or less 'cottage industry' territory, outside of the big-time music industry. And that was the period when he...
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    'Fairies Wear Boots' is a classic track, but this...

    'Fairies Wear Boots' is a classic track, but this particular 'yeah' is inarguably lazy!



    Another noteworthy thing with the debut. Other than a run-through of 'Blue Suede Shoes' for German TV...
  25. Anti-conflict, be it war or violent revolution,...

    Anti-conflict, be it war or violent revolution, is the gist of Lake's summary.
  26. ^That's because it's not in Rocking The Classics!...

    ^That's because it's not in Rocking The Classics!

    It's in his ELP-specific tome, The Endless Enigma. He referred to previously being mistaken about the band not commenting as a lead-in, if I...
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    Yikes, just after Lyle Mays' death as well. :( ...

    Yikes, just after Lyle Mays' death as well. :(

    I think I first paid close attention to his drumming on Solstice, which came out in that ECM Touchstones series around 11/12 years ago.

    RIP.
  28. ISTR Macan found an archive quote from (I think)...

    ISTR Macan found an archive quote from (I think) Lake at the time of Tarkus' release, which outlined the full 'concept' for the track. Vaguely anti-war, but I don't remember the full quote.
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    They did it earlier than this! Works Volume 2,...

    They did it earlier than this! Works Volume 2, Love Beach and In Concert. I will certainly admit that the former is not a bad album but it's a ragbag of material, some good, some not. Some of it was...
  30. Thread: RIP Lyle Mays

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    I hadn't realised they'd done some more recent...

    I hadn't realised they'd done some more recent shows together. And what a pity we never got that Wichita 2!

    Metheny's always insightful. The comparison with Zawinul in terms of orchestration is on...
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    Was it here that someone wanted that Carnegie set...

    Was it here that someone wanted that Carnegie set but it went out of print? Anyway, it's coming out again as a 3cd set:
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    There was that Rolling Stone review/ramble about...

    There was that Rolling Stone review/ramble about Paranoid where it turned out the guy was reviewing Black Widow.:meh Based on their album Sacrifice, that band were not especially 'heavy', really,...
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    Yes nothing really comes out of a vacuum. I agree...

    Yes nothing really comes out of a vacuum. I agree on the importance of various bands mentioned above. But what a statement of intent this Sabbath debut was- right from track 1, side 1.

    ISTR Geezer...
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    Ouch. And yet, not one of these has been...

    Ouch.



    And yet, not one of these has been on a 'Jethro Tull' studio album. So they haven't contributed to the legacy in the way that Barre did for several decades.
  35. Thread: RIP Lyle Mays

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyIBT-m_sj4 I...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyIBT-m_sj4

    I just love this version of the track. A shame the song never made it onto the Travels double.
  36. Thread: RIP Lyle Mays

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    Metheny and Mays were a great team for many...

    Metheny and Mays were a great team for many years. 'San Lorenzo' is a great early example of their work. Another great showcase for Mays in particular is 'The Search' from American Garage.
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    Very sad to read this. Love those ECM albums with...

    Very sad to read this. Love those ECM albums with Metheny- particularly the duo-credited As Falls Wichita...
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    They should put out one of the full Newcastle...

    They should put out one of the full Newcastle shows- with the Wetton/Jobson band- which made up most of Viva. (One of them is around online in perfect quality.) I always thought Eskimos And Geordies...
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    Goodness me. Can't buy this sort of PR! When I...

    Goodness me. Can't buy this sort of PR!

    When I saw them in 2008, I enjoyed it- at least Barre and Perry were still there. However I felt a bit short-changed given most gigs on that tour had either...
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    Four Flicks- covering that 2002/3 period- has its...

    Four Flicks- covering that 2002/3 period- has its moments. The MSG show on there has things like 'Can't You Hear Me Knocking' in the set. That's kind of the line in the sand for me though. The...
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    There's rumours of a deluxe edition of Goats Head...

    There's rumours of a deluxe edition of Goats Head Soup. Not everyone's favourite, but I like it. They should put out the original Brussels Affair bootleg as a 2nd disc, which was a mix of Brussels...
  42. ^I have had the impression that JPJ and Plant...

    ^I have had the impression that JPJ and Plant were perhaps more 'colleagues' than friends per se. And even then they've seldom if ever worked together outside of those occasional (sometimes...
  43. Yes I don't think there was anything sinister...

    Yes I don't think there was anything sinister there, given how hastily arranged it was.
  44. Listening to Wolflight again, another thing...

    Listening to Wolflight again, another thing strikes me. Beyond '...Vampire', there's not much edge about it. Things like 'The Wheel's Turning' are very 'soft' IMHO. Is it just me?
  45. Even Squackett still had that same sound, didn't...

    Even Squackett still had that same sound, didn't it?

    ISTR either Hackett or Howe mentioned wanting to do something new together. An entirely instrumental album would be neat, rather than going for...
  46. I blame the production as much as anything. The...

    I blame the production as much as anything. The sound of his albums has gotten very samey.

    Even the material itself, well, he's done better. For instance, I'm quite fond of 2006's Wild Orchids,...
  47. I've certainly heard the same story...

    I've certainly heard the same story RE;Hackett/Six Of The Best (that he heard about it second hand...not the dad thing!). But I don't know that there was any malice intended considering Hackett was...
  48. I did get into ...Tunnel's Mouth. I could do...

    I did get into ...Tunnel's Mouth. I could do without the blues track 'Still Waters'. I like blues, I like Hackett, but not at the same time! 'Nomads' and 'Emerald And Ash' were the highlights I...
  49. They had some very good singles in the 80s/90s....

    They had some very good singles in the 80s/90s. (The ones I really don't like are 'Get Up' and 'Everybody Gets A Second Chance', both of which I find extremely cheesy- they weren't hits anyway.) But...
  50. ^I'd be surprised if too many on here have...

    ^I'd be surprised if too many on here have bothered with Rutherford's most recent output. A different musical demographic, really.
  51. What I've heard of both Rutherford and Banks'...

    What I've heard of both Rutherford and Banks' solo careers/side-projects, their first albums were very much their best. IMHO.

    Sometimes collaborations are better on paper. I didn't love Squackett,...
  52. Wilson gave some negative interviews about...

    Wilson gave some negative interviews about Genesis around the time of the 2007 reunion. However this was not long after a 'World Of Genesis' tour, singing various Gabriel/Collins-era songs (and their...
  53. I suppose there's the Mechanics' track 'A Call To...

    I suppose there's the Mechanics' track 'A Call To Arms', which evolved from a Genesis jam or something. However, it has no musical involvement from Banks/Collins in this version. Indeed, Banks,...
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    I'm not sure Magnum ever meant much in the US....

    I'm not sure Magnum ever meant much in the US. I've always had time for their quirky English take on Styx/Kansas-type pomp rock. They aren't quite as 'prog' as those two though.

    Chase The Dragon...
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    I haven't followed them that closely but ISTR...

    I haven't followed them that closely but ISTR Stanway left during a tour!
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    ^Reminds me of 'The Prize'. The line-up seems...

    ^Reminds me of 'The Prize'.

    The line-up seems to have changed completely (beyond the omnipresent Catley/Clarkin) since I last paid them attention! I knew something went on with Mark Stanway.
  57. There's several good songs on Still but it's not...

    There's several good songs on Still but it's not an especially coherent album IMHO. I sometimes think that's why Banks has struggled to shift units, after a solid start with A Curious Feeling. Every...
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    ^'Jesus Is Just Alright' springs to mind! Exile...

    ^'Jesus Is Just Alright' springs to mind! Exile On Main Street has a few gospel-influenced tracks- 'i Just Wanna See His Face', 'Shine A Light'...

    As for Columbia, throw in Laura Nyro's...
  59. ^If they were, the 3cd The Platinum Collection...

    ^If they were, the 3cd The Platinum Collection already cornered that market as far as Genesis sans solo material went.

    'Red Day...' is an OK track but 'Wake Up Call' is an odd inclusion IMHO. A...
  60. It was shown on BBC2 over here around five years...

    It was shown on BBC2 over here around five years ago. I remember Hackett said he wouldn't even be selling the documentary via his website. But he did say he was happy with the accompanying 'best of'...
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