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  1. I listed few new titles on ebay today. The...

    I listed few new titles on ebay today. The auctions end in 5 days.
    There is even 1 Proto-prog album, so popular on PE.
    The album was 14 on PE Top 100 Proto-prog albums poll!
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    Born in 1961 in Warsaw, Poland. My older brother...

    Born in 1961 in Warsaw, Poland. My older brother got me into progressive rock. Lucky guy had a friend in High School whose father was a diplomat travelling frequently to London. Brought many LPs with...
  3. Most exotic place that I've been to, but I...

    Most exotic place that I've been to, but I wouldn't probably go back there - Pakistan, but I only visited Karachi.
    Most exotic and fascinating place I've visited and I would go back even today if I...
  4. I guess it depends what you like. In my personal...

    I guess it depends what you like. In my personal opinion Storks fly high. I would put s/t album in my Top 5 progressive rock albums from Finland, together with:
    Wigwam - "Fairyport"
    Tasavallan...
  5. 9 eBay auctions will end in 24 hours. ELP,...

    9 eBay auctions will end in 24 hours.
    ELP, Gentle Giant x4, Haikara, Latte E Miele, Biglietto Per L'Inferno, Still Life - brand new or like new CDs in Mini LP paper sleeve covers
    ...
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    Indeed. Maybe not weird (I don't listen to weird...

    Indeed. Maybe not weird (I don't listen to weird music ;-)) but your site Tom, helped me find many obscure titles. And thank you for accepting me as a reviewer. If I remember correctly I had to wait...
  7. I moved it. This one can be deleted. Not sure...

    I moved it. This one can be deleted. Not sure how....
  8. CDs for Sale on eBay (new or like-new condition)

    Few CDs for Sale on eBay (new or like new condition)
    All of them are mini paper sleeve LP replicas.

    The auctions end next Sunday - Dec 23rd. HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!!
    ...
  9. Few CDs for Sale on eBay (new or like new condition)

    All of them are mini paper sleeve LP replicas.

    The auctions end either Friday or Saturday.

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/progdome/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

    Thanks for looking,
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    Just curious if anyone from PE proto-prog fans...

    Just curious if anyone from PE proto-prog fans bought Indian Summer's new LP or Belle Antique CD edition. I heard couple clips on YouTube and I wasn't impressed with audio quality. I don't collect...
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    CD Japan is just a retail CD shop. The CD was...

    CD Japan is just a retail CD shop. The CD was released by Japanese record label Belle Antique.
    New album in its entirety includes the unheard demos and live gig from 1970 and 1971.
    The album was...
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    1. Caravan (2002) 2. Camel (2003) 3. Steve...

    1. Caravan (2002)
    2. Camel (2003)
    3. Steve Hacket (2002)
    4. Anglagard (2003)
    5. PFM (2005) and Magma (2003) ;)
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    Great album, great recommendation Chris. :up

    Great album, great recommendation Chris. :up
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    Wow, awesome post. Thank you so such. This is...

    Wow, awesome post. Thank you so such. This is exactly what we are trying to accomplish.
    The problem is that the perfect list of Top 100 essential proto-prog albums cannot be compiled.
    Why? Our...
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    Chris, just so we are on the same page - not all...

    Chris, just so we are on the same page - not all of them are essential to me personally. I wouldn't include some of the above titles in my Top 100, but they were recommended by others. I wanted to be...
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    I completed my research, went over all submitted...

    I completed my research, went over all submitted recommendations. I picked 20+ titles, shared the list with couple other PE members to get second opinion. I tried to be objective, I only included 1...
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    Unfortunately I lost the full spreadsheet with...

    Unfortunately I lost the full spreadsheet with all individuals votes (hard drive crash). :-(
    I only have the final list with the statistics (# of voters / average rating per album).
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    Big Sleep -Bluebell Wood Ancient Grease's Women...

    Big Sleep -Bluebell Wood
    Ancient Grease's Women and Children First
    The Dog That Bit People

    AFAIR, we considered these 3 albums to the list in 2004. They were rejected.
    There is a reason why...
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    Mogrooves, I sent you IM. Can you please respond...

    Mogrooves, I sent you IM. Can you please respond to it?
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    Yep, I think that was in 2004.

    Yep, I think that was in 2004.
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    Actually I am working with Chris (nosebone),...

    Actually I am working with Chris (nosebone), using IMs to avoid any type of disputes.
    Do you remember how it was 12-13 years ago? Mad war.
    Obviously before we add anything to the list we will ask...
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    I can hear Mo saying... define obscure. I...

    I can hear Mo saying... define obscure.

    I assume my working title "Vintage Prog" is no-go?
    Okay... how about "Late 60s / Early 70s Minor League Prog Rock"
    You know... minor chords... minor...
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    I agree with you that these albums should be...

    I agree with you that these albums should be removed from the list. We shouldn't have any folk, folk related albums on the list.
    I will explain why below. I just don't understand why few pages later...
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    That's right. That's why we decided to split the...

    That's right. That's why we decided to split the timeline to avoid the confusion:
    1. 66-69 (proto-Prog: very influential, successful, well known bands/artists: the Beatles, Hendrix, Cream, Moody...
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    Egg will be removed from the list, together with...

    Egg will be removed from the list, together with Traffic, Procol Harum, Family, Greenslade and Colosseum. They don't fit the general scope of list: lesser known/2nd tier late 60s, early 70s...
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    I don't think so Jim. I've never heard about...

    I don't think so Jim. I've never heard about England being linked with prototypical bands from early 70s.
    First Aid is full of synths, not vintage organ sound.

    I will work on the updates to the...
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    I agree the time frame is just a guideline but we...

    I agree the time frame is just a guideline but we are after the sound. Good example is Kestrel, album released in 1975, but perfectly fits what we are looking for. The album sounds like something...
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    To be honest with you I don't even know...

    To be honest with you I don't even know [i]Mercator Projected[/] month of the release. I wrote October as an approximate marker. The sound is more important than the time of the release. Do the music...
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    We purposely didn't/don't want include ALL prog...

    We purposely didn't/don't want include ALL prog bands to give more attention to obscure, lesser known bands. Otherwise the final list would be boring and full of usual suspects.
    Only people who are...
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    Mo, Procol Harum' s "Shine on Brightly" was...

    Mo, Procol Harum' s "Shine on Brightly" was included on the list.
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    Listen, if you publish something about music and...

    Listen, if you publish something about music and it gets translated to Polish or English let me know. I will definitely buy it. I used to be fluent in Russian language, but that was long long time...
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    Odin would probably make my Top 100 list if we...

    Odin would probably make my Top 100 list if we extend the timeline to 1972, and they were not really from Germany. ;-)

    Another overlooked 1970 album, this time from Germany but with English...
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    Lev - nice post on previous page, well written,...

    Lev - nice post on previous page, well written, you have a skill my friend. I don't agree with you that "proto-prog" is a distinct music style, sorry. Please read the rest of this post for for...
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    Step 1. Create a "master list". We almost have...

    Step 1. Create a "master list".
    We almost have it. It would be the full list from page 1 plus some additions, the albums recommended on previous pages that deserve to be included. I was hoping for...
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    My own, but I didn't really count them (not...

    My own, but I didn't really count them (not enough time :-), rough estimates: +/-5.
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    I personally think we already have enough...

    I personally think we already have enough challenges here.
    Don't you think that newer proto prog bands would benefit more to be included on "Essential retro-prog albums" list?
    Why can't you suggest...
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    Well... we can fix it and create revised list of...

    Well... we can fix it and create revised list of essential PROTO/EARLY Prog albums. I have a plan how to do it without disputes, but I will need the support of at least 15 volunteers / enthusiasts of...
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    In my case, and I am a real sucker for this type...

    In my case, and I am a real sucker for this type of music:
    - 30 albums are essential / borderline classic (12-14 in Gnosis scale)
    - 30 excellent (11)
    - 30 very good (10)
    - 10 albums don't belong...
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    This is a very accurate categorization. I am...

    This is a very accurate categorization.
    I am glad to see Aquila and Hannibal in the same category, because not only I wouldn't include Hannibal but got rid of Aquila. Both albums are not essential....
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    I do agree with you 100% in the regards to the...

    I do agree with you 100% in the regards to the distinction between "early" and "proto". If someone asks me to give him an example of proto-prog, "In Held 'Twas in I" by Procol Harum would be my first...
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    Aquila, Titus Groan are probably much closer to...

    Aquila, Titus Groan are probably much closer to Hannibal sound than first Raw Material. What differentiates them IMO, it's lack of proggy tendencies on Hannibal's album.
    Maybe that's why Hannibal...
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    Spyros - we are in agreement here, definitely not...

    Spyros - we are in agreement here, definitely not essential, but..pleasant. In terms of pop-folk influences, it fits nicely next to Fairfield Parlour.
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    That's why I wrote "early progressive", meaning...

    That's why I wrote "early progressive", meaning "not fully developed prog", early stage, but not REALLY progressive.
    Baroque, semi-orchestral folk-pop - I like your description, I really do...
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    Just curious Trane's opinion about Hannibal...why...

    Just curious Trane's opinion about Hannibal...why they never made it to PA?
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    Brass jazz-rock bands, not brass rock bands. ...

    Brass jazz-rock bands, not brass rock bands.
    Brass rock bands with proggy tendencies definitely belong on the list, because we already have few of those.
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    To my ears, Hannibal is too brass-y to be...

    To my ears, Hannibal is too brass-y to be included on the list. We didn't go after the bands similar in style to early Chicago, Blood Sweat and Tears - brass jazz-rock/fusion with prog-y elements....
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    Jim - he did recommend them. I also remember who...

    Jim - he did recommend them. I also remember who introduced Graphite to you. ;-)
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    This is a really good post. I like it, I like it...

    This is a really good post. I like it, I like it a lot, you just used wrong examples. Everyone should read this message twice and analyze it, maybe something will click in your heads. Cream -...
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    If we decide to keep the name "Early obscure...

    If we decide to keep the name "Early obscure prog", I would suggest to remove the following bands:
    Atomic Rooster
    Colosseum
    Family
    Procol Harum
    Greenslade

    Each of them had the Top selling...
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    You are mistaken. You are confusing PROG (short...

    You are mistaken. You are confusing PROG (short for Progressive Music) with progressive rock, originated in England in late 60s. The Nice were never part of progressive rock scene.
    When did you...
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    I simply used PA as a quick point of reference. I...

    I simply used PA as a quick point of reference. I truly understand how imperfect their genres definitions are, but if you look through any progressive rock resources on internet, any progressive rock...
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    The source of our disagreement is very simple -...

    The source of our disagreement is very simple - our definitions of proto-prog are different. Your definition: "I imagine "proto-Prog" as a kind of ur-Prog, a music still in a state of becoming...
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    Proto-prog is a very confusing term and it...

    Proto-prog is a very confusing term and it doesn't mean same thing for different people. As far as I remember, we referred to the list that Chris posted on the first page as "early-prog", NOT...
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    Annual proto-prog thread, I see. How nice......

    Annual proto-prog thread, I see. How nice...
    Just for the record, Mogrooves didn't put this stellar top 100 proto prog list together. There was 15 of us. I remember very well, because I counted the...
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    Pamiec was reissued in Japan not long ago, as...

    Pamiec was reissued in Japan not long ago, as Mini LP replica together with 4 other SBB albums: Nowy Horyzont, Ze Slowem Biegne do Ciebie, Welcome and Wolanie o Brzek Szkla.
    Both: Doug Larson and...
  56. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1z35-AJnJs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1z35-AJnJs
  57. Zdzisław Beksiński ...

    Zdzisław Beksiński


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFC20XFwAxU
  58. Few Imported Mini LP CDs For Sale (couple of them are Japanese reissues)

    Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso s/t - Japanese Mini-LP CD BVCM-37421 SEALED
    - oversized "money box" package ($30 + shipping)
    here some pictures of this reissue:...
  59. TWENTY SIXTY SIX AND THEN - "Reflections On The...

    TWENTY SIXTY SIX AND THEN - "Reflections On The Future"
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    Few Psych/Prog CDs/DVDs/Books on eBay

    I am selling few prog/psych CDs/DVDs and books on eBay.

    CDs
    Yes - Relayer [Bonus Tracks] [Remaster] (CD, 2003, Elektra)
    Marsupilami - Arena [Remaster] Prog Rock (CD, 2007, Esoteric)
    Soft...
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