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    And... ... a video of The Cortege! ...

    And...

    ... a video of The Cortege!

    Although this is a documentary with musical highlights, and sometimes cuts away from the music, rather than presenting the whole thing start to finish.

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  2. Not even the best prog Asia song - which is, in...

    Not even the best prog Asia song - which is, in my opinion, "Wildest Dreams".

    Although "Is this the best prog-rock song of all time?" does pose another question: "What is a prog song - as opposed...
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    No, they aren't bad at all, although I'd say they...

    No, they aren't bad at all, although I'd say they were more some kind of jazz-rock than funk. Their music's more about jazzy chords and melodies than a big danceable beat and righteous blues licks....
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    Nope. ...

    Nope.

    Avant-prog/big-band-jazz/film-score/Zappaphile band from Belgium. 15 pieces: 5 brass (including an attractive blonde woman on, incongruously, tuba), 5 reeds (including two...
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    What you're saying is that "Close to the Edge"...

    What you're saying is that "Close to the Edge" may go to unexpected places a number of times - for example, the second verse is substantially different from the first verse - yet those always sound...
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    I did. It was excellent. Sorry to hear you missed...

    I did. It was excellent. Sorry to hear you missed it.
  7. And Hamill can't sing. But it doesn't matter....

    And Hamill can't sing.

    But it doesn't matter. None of it matters. This is one of those works that is great because of its flaws, not despite them. Because without taking the fearless artistic...
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    They're still around; they did a Tiny Desk...

    They're still around; they did a Tiny Desk broadcast not all that long ago:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=592crJUBgGc

    They're a DC institution, thus the Tiny Desk appearance - Tiny Desk...
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    Or does it only mean that Sean & Co. didn't cough...

    Or does it only mean that Sean & Co. didn't cough up big bucks to get McAfee Certified? I don't know if McAfee do business that way, but it wouldn't surprise me - John McAfee, the founder, has a...
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    Good to see that somebody noticed this was out. I...

    Good to see that somebody noticed this was out. I need to download Varmints, and either order or download the new one.
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    Interesting. He pretty much wrote entirely new...

    Interesting. He pretty much wrote entirely new music for the second "song" section - the part at about 4:00 that starts, "There will be another song for me.......".

    I once worked on, but never...
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    Some interesting psych/proto-prog, from Viv...

    Some interesting psych/proto-prog, from Viv Stanshall's short-lived post-Bonzos project biG Grunt.

    The band was apparently:


    Viv Stanshall - vocals, brass, theatrics
    Roger Ruskin Spear -...
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    Her early fantasy work is really good. She's now...

    Her early fantasy work is really good. She's now writing historical mysteries, set in (mostly) the complex and morally troublesome society of 1830s New Orleans, and featuring a black detective who is...
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    They apparently did a performance in 2015 (I...

    They apparently did a performance in 2015 (I didn't know about that) which included a number of early members, but not Roger Ruskin Spear. It seems to have stressed the vaudeville/music-hall side of...
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    In a way they're the most British group ever:...

    In a way they're the most British group ever: almost exactly halfway between the Beatles and Monty Python.

    And while Stanshall + Innes weren't quite on the level of Lennon + McCartney as...
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    Their songwriting isn't recognized as much as I...

    Their songwriting isn't recognized as much as I believe it should be. Yes, a lot of it involved comic impersonations of other styles - particularly music-hall - but when Innes and Stanshall just let...
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    She appears in that video, wearing a porkpie hat...

    She appears in that video, wearing a porkpie hat and playing tenor sax.
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    One of the most cringe-inducing lines in all of...

    One of the most cringe-inducing lines in all of popular music - not just bad writing, but sickeningly tactless. I know what his point was, but why, oh why did he have to say it that way?
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    Blaylock's friend Tim Powers is also excellent,...

    Blaylock's friend Tim Powers is also excellent, and less jokey. His stuff isn't quite high fantasy as it might usually be defined, though - it's more magic-realist historical novels, if that can be...
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    You do know the story behind it, don't you? In...

    You do know the story behind it, don't you?

    In the Seventies, Randy Newman somehow ran afoul of Irving Azoff, who was one of the most powerful managers in the music business, one of the most...
  21. That's a great comment. In fact, I would submit...

    That's a great comment. In fact, I would submit that it's one of the defining characteristics of prog. And, beyond that, one of the defining characteristics of, not "good music" because everybody has...
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    I never said it did. And I will add that, while...

    I never said it did. And I will add that, while those Eighties bands might have a certain amount of remote Floyd influence - more in mood than in anything direct - and that is also quite apparent in...
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    After buying and listening to it, I can hear the...

    After buying and listening to it, I can hear the Porcupine Tree comparisons. The genre, if you tried to pigeonhole this, is some form of Eighties "darkwave": Magazine, Ultravox, The Cure, Talk Talk,...
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    It's in the movie Joker. In the States, Gary...

    It's in the movie Joker.

    In the States, Gary Glitter is an extremely obscure figure. Everybody knows that tune, but no one remembers who did it. The man who did is almost as obscure as Jimmy...
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    Yes, but it's considered bad poetry, as is...

    Yes, but it's considered bad poetry, as is anything that doesn't read like people normally speak or write.
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    Because he's got an image a bit like a tropical...

    Because he's got an image a bit like a tropical Steve Miller, of a fun-lovin', relaxed, carefree, love-'em-and-leave-'em dude who just sits in the sun and drinks and smokes weed and good things just...
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    He sold lots of records. And guys really...

    He sold lots of records.

    And guys really resonate with his mellow-but-smooth dude persona, who loves 'em all and leaves 'em all, and is so mellow and so smooth that every one of those women...
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    Steve Miller has many clankers. The clankiest,...

    Steve Miller has many clankers. The clankiest, though, in my estimation, is one so clanky it has become famous:

    Well some call me the Space Cowboy,
    And some call me the Gangster of Love,
    And...
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    Interesting. Never realized that Portnoy could...

    Interesting. Never realized that Portnoy could sing. He's not bad, though this isn't very hard, and I suspect he can't do the beefy bellowing or tenor yowl that constitute "real" rock singing.
  30. I never heard that. They certainly did....

    I never heard that.

    They certainly did. Indeed, the whole idea of putting out records like Tommy and Quadrophenia was, I submit, "proggy", as well as certain tracks on both, and the formal...
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    Although with Bond, most of the monstrousness was...

    Although with Bond, most of the monstrousness was due to his addiction(s). With Ginger, it seems to have been his main personality, and it stayed even when he got off the monkey.
  32. That year, I was just about the only attendee...

    That year, I was just about the only attendee from the US, because there was a festival in DC at the same time that had many of the major European avant bands.
  33. I only made it to one - the year with the Art...

    I only made it to one - the year with the Art Bears - but it was fantastic. A once-in-a-lifetime experience.
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    To say nothing of how they nicked the sound of...

    To say nothing of how they nicked the sound of the chorus - if not the actual notes - from The Who. So you're saying that the point of "In Two Minds" wasn't the musical language or the political...
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    Art Bears are not particularly hard to listen to....

    Art Bears are not particularly hard to listen to. In a way, they're Henry Cow doing short songs - which was exactly what the first AB album, Hopes and Fears, started out as. Why they considered it...
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    On some level I knew that. But you used the word...

    On some level I knew that. But you used the word "play", within which category you also included "work that may be challenging, even difficult, but is still enjoyable and personally rewarding."...
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    I think we're disagreeing more about the degree...

    I think we're disagreeing more about the degree of commitment than the fact of it. What I meant - and wasn't too clear about - was that when your music starts to mean something to you, you can't deal...
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    That's always the case, though, with a band....

    That's always the case, though, with a band. Isn't it? Even for one as uncompromisingly focused on their own vision as Henry Cow, as little inclined to bend to the desires of label presidents,...
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    Got the book. I will spend some time reading it,...

    Got the book. I will spend some time reading it, then weigh in here again.
  40. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiAFUJ4Shao

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiAFUJ4Shao
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    I use a bunch of Ikea "Benno" units. Inexpensive,...

    I use a bunch of Ikea "Benno" units. Inexpensive, and expandable by adding more of them, although I'm not sure if they still make them (EDIT: They're apparently now called "Gnedby"). About six feet...
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    Ordered the Piekut book, should get it in a few...

    Ordered the Piekut book, should get it in a few days.

    While I've read Cutler's File Under Popular - which I found rather dense, opaque, and polemical - I've not read his book on the Cow. How is...
  43. Which, I think, means something different in...

    Which, I think, means something different in Australia than it does in England and the rest of the world. The English expected something familiar and beloved - lots of blues, R&B, and country...
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    It's clear what "Featured Player" entails on the...

    It's clear what "Featured Player" entails on the artistic end, but I wonder what it entails on the business end. Would it mean an automatic royalty per-sale or per-play, as it does for vocalists -...
  45. He's too smart to not be self-aware, to not think...

    He's too smart to not be self-aware, to not think of the contradictions inherent in what he does, and to not try to make some sense of them. In a way, he's the leading intellectual of rock as purely...
  46. Their first two international releases - 10.....1...

    Their first two international releases - 10.....1 and Red Sails - were great. Not quite prog, not quite classic rock, not quite New Wave, but music that took the best of all of them. Rock that...
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    That might be more a coincidence than anything...

    That might be more a coincidence than anything else, a matter of Toby and SW arriving at similar places by very different paths.
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    Really? I'm surprised. Granted, you've played...

    Really? I'm surprised. Granted, you've played with them, so you'd know. But still, they're fairly eclectic musicians - most proggers are, because they have to be - and XTC are a medium-important band...
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    Okay, I see it now. It was really buried at the...

    Okay, I see it now. It was really buried at the end of that other story.
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    The article lists the backing band, but doesn't...

    The article lists the backing band, but doesn't mention Mike K at all. Maybe it isn't the whole band? Or maybe Mike's working with Todd on some other project?
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    Wonder if that was an attempt to get some badass...

    Wonder if that was an attempt to get some badass dissonance past the Soviet Composers' Union censors, by titling it as a piece of sound painting, and thus acceptable Socialist Realism.

    EDIT: Oh,...
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    That manifesto you quote omits another important...

    That manifesto you quote omits another important resolution of the Futurists: their opposition to pasta. I'm not kidding.
    It may, I think, be summarized as follows; Art is not a mirror, it is not a...
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    I guess my point - which may not hold water - was...

    I guess my point - which may not hold water - was that HC were playing difficult music for audiences that might not have expected that, and hoping that they still somehow got through to those...
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    He's fascinating because he's one of the few rock...

    He's fascinating because he's one of the few rock theorists who isn't coming from a Beat Poetry => Dylan => Velvets => Roots-music => Punk mindset. And who can take on those characters, the Hipster...
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    I wonder how Stormy Six - who had audible...

    I wonder how Stormy Six - who had audible influences from Henry Cow and Gentle Giant but ties just as strong to Italian folk and pop music, and who wrote their lyrics in a regional blue-collar...
  56. Heard a couple of bits - it sounds like...

    Heard a couple of bits - it sounds like folk-prog, mostly built around acoustic guitar and vocals, but with more open-ended, psychedelic song structures than straight-up folk-rock. The writing and...
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    After reading it, I wondered if any of his...

    After reading it, I wondered if any of his children had won the Kentucky Derby. And I don't mean as a jockey.
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    At the beginning of the Cars, he might have...

    At the beginning of the Cars, he might have chopped a few years off for rock 'n roll business reasons. In some sense he was a late bloomer, who'd been plugging along in the musical trenches for about...
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    Enrique Vaca!

    Enrique Vaca!
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    Sorry to hear that.

    Sorry to hear that.
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