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  1. ^I think expectations have to be reduced at this...

    ^I think expectations have to be reduced at this late stage. Was it comparable to their 00s versions? Not really- and forget about the 70s! But that second version was not an embarrassment either....
  2. I kept quiet about the first version at the...

    I kept quiet about the first version at the time, but it was what I feared it would sound like, shall we say. This second version is considerably better, even with less than ideal YouTube...
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzmA2uy1jbc ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzmA2uy1jbc

    Backing singer carrying this. Somewhat worrying.
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    I've noticed he drinks a lot of water on stage....

    I've noticed he drinks a lot of water on stage. You can see it in both 'Africa' clips.
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    I watched various clips, including the one below,...

    I watched various clips, including the one below, from this particular show a couple of years ago in a state of shock! This might be one of the worst shows of all time, from his singing to the band...
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    ^I'm not sure of the dates, but it definitely...

    ^I'm not sure of the dates, but it definitely sounded like a tall tale to me.
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    I was listening to Wembley 1978 again the other...

    I was listening to Wembley 1978 again the other day. I think although (IMHO) Tormato was definitely the weakest album they'd done, it still sold well and this ensuing tour was something of a...
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    ^I meant a BBC session version. There's one in...

    ^I meant a BBC session version. There's one in not very good quality.
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    Might be of interest, I noticed this whilst...

    Might be of interest, I noticed this whilst reading another thread elsewhere:

    “In the next couple of months, you will see sites for Led Zeppelin and Yes that will launch with the ability to buy or...
  10. I remember when I first got the remixes, and...

    I remember when I first got the remixes, and being unable to work out why I was preferring the older CDs. Later I learned about compression etc. The 1994 Genesis CDs that Davis remastered are not...
  11. He remixed A Curious Feeling and The Fugitive in...

    He remixed A Curious Feeling and The Fugitive in full for the Esoteric releases, in stereo and 5.1. I can't comment on what was on that A Chord Too Far box. I don't think Esoteric have ever released...
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    ^For me, it's a really good (too good)...

    ^For me, it's a really good (too good) arrangement for a not very good song. I do however really despise that 'damn good whacking' bridge. Lyrically and melodically weak, IMHO.

    I have come around...
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    Well they did use this pretty much verbatim on an...

    Well they did use this pretty much verbatim on an Asia album some 25 years later!

    I wouldn't exactly call it 'prog'- if you didn't like the debut you wouldn't like Phoenix either!- but Phoenix...
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    The only things I could do without are 'Piggies',...

    The only things I could do without are 'Piggies', 'Savoy Truffle' and 'Honey Pie'. But I don't skip past them when listening.

    Sure 'Don't Pass Me By' is a dud but I suppose it's the token Ringo...
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    ^ISTR it being said that 'No Alibis' was around...

    ^ISTR it being said that 'No Alibis' was around at the time of the first album too? Might be wrong.

    I did enjoy Phoenix.
  16. A nice set-list, really. I'm very fond of...

    A nice set-list, really. I'm very fond of 'Onward' so I'm always pleased to see that.

    I thought the mystery song would be 'Eleanor Rigby' as well. It was on the set-list in their earliest days but...
  17. Thread: CD Rot

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    Probably. Most of the discs I've seen like this...

    Probably. Most of the discs I've seen like this have been theirs. And only the UK PDO- the discs from the German plant were fine, I think.
  18. It is not clear which versions will be in this...

    It is not clear which versions will be in this box. I do not believe Esoteric ever released the original mixes of his first two albums- instead those were Nick Davis remixes.
  19. ^They haven't 'always done' it (I know that was...

    ^They haven't 'always done' it (I know that was the original quote rather than you), I doubt it's been in the set for 50 years. Soundchecks, well, who knows.
  20. There is a song I think it could be...it was a...

    There is a song I think it could be...it was a live staple in their earliest days.
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    Sticky: I think there's a valid argument that the...

    I think there's a valid argument that the highpoints of Moving Waves and Focus III are higher, but this seems a more even album overall.

    That clip was for a BBC In Concert. They were a popular...
  22. Coltrane's legacy has been ravaged by two fires....

    Coltrane's legacy has been ravaged by two fires. There was a 70s fire at Atlantic where various outtakes and mono mixes perished (I understand the My Favourite Things album was particularly badly...
  23. Universal's statement: ...

    Universal's statement:

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-day-the-music-burned-article.849828/page-8#post-21423791

    Extremely carefully worded.
  24. From the article, concerning the initial damage...

    From the article, concerning the initial damage limitation:

    The Daily News article also invoked the loss of “original recordings from organ virtuoso Lenny Dee and 1950s hitmaker Georgie Shaw.” A...
  25. ^It's very depressing...I did warn you in my...

    ^It's very depressing...I did warn you in my opening post! There'd be murmurings of things being lost in that fire but the extent of it is awful beyond words. For instance Chess Records is one of my...
  26. Thread: CD Rot

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    ^Yes some of the older Island discs were, I...

    ^Yes some of the older Island discs were, I think, manufactured by PDO UK. I believe that it was around the mid 90s where the problem was discovered.
  27. Some other points mentioned on the Hoffman forum...

    Some other points mentioned on the Hoffman forum (who initially kept pulling threads linking to this article!):

    -The older recordings (Louis Armstrong, Judy Garland, Bing Crosby etc.) were not...
  28. The Day The Music Burned; article on the Universal vault fire

    Long article in The New York Times about how many master tapes perished in the Universal vault fire in 2008. Extremely grim reading. I do remember Richard Carpenter suggesting things were bad some...
  29. Thread: CD Rot

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    One other thing to watch out for, those foam...

    One other thing to watch out for, those foam inserts in double CD cases stuck to the label side on some discs.

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/help-with-cd-foam-insert-melted.797753/
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  30. Unless they do a 'new' album (extremely...

    Unless they do a 'new' album (extremely unlikely!), as far as I'm concerned the 2007 reunion closed the book on that particular period of Genesis anyway. It fully restored their commercial reputation...
  31. Thread: CD Rot

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    I'm getting the feeling that this was not such a...

    I'm getting the feeling that this was not such a problem with discs pressed in the US.

    I know that PDO UK offered replacements for affected discs for many years but I'm not sure they even exist...
  32. Thread: CD Rot

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    It was mostly the one pressing plant- PDO UK-...

    It was mostly the one pressing plant- PDO UK- where this was an issue. Mercifully it was seldom if ever a factor in the time I was buying CDs new. However watch out for certain labels now pressing...
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    Haven't listened to him in some years and should...

    Haven't listened to him in some years and should remedy that. First heard of him via BBC Radio 2 who did an hour-long documentary on that Occasional Rain album. Unthinkable on Radio 2's schedules...
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    Sticky: Yeah I think Focus III has some really great...

    Yeah I think Focus III has some really great things but the longer tracks have too much boring soloing for my taste.
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    Sticky: Perhaps the best, most consistent album they...

    Perhaps the best, most consistent album they made, IMHO. 'La Cathedral De Strasbourg' is maybe my favourite Focus track.

    Can't really comment on much of what followed beyond what's on that best of...
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    I like that instrumental 'Free Wheelin'...don't...

    I like that instrumental 'Free Wheelin'...don't see that mentioned around very much.
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    I like all five of the original acts to varying...

    I like all five of the original acts to varying degrees, but wow, what a truly bizarre amalgamation of musicians and concept this is. I quite like the 'he didn't sing the hits, but...' stuff...
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    I have this somewhere: ...

    I have this somewhere:

    https://www.discogs.com/Soft-Machine-Softs-Alive-And-Well-Recorded-In-Paris-Bundles/release/11226311

    I remember finding it cheaply not long after getting the Esoteric...
  39. Most of the Tony Banks albums have been out of...

    Most of the Tony Banks albums have been out of print for many years. The Wicked Lady soundtrack in particular is a bit of a rarity...not one I've ever heard.
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    ^The TOTP appearance was from the show's very...

    ^The TOTP appearance was from the show's very short-lived attempt at an 'album slot' (The Groundhogs were another band who appeared in that slot). But, like rather too much of the show, it was wiped...
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    Indeed the Yale Bowl show is a strong...

    Indeed the Yale Bowl show is a strong performance, a rare and well-recorded opportunity to hear this line-up at close quarters playing much of The Yes Album live. (Although why is it that 'Starship...
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    ^The anecdote about their 'parting gift' to a...

    ^The anecdote about their 'parting gift' to a bad-tempered Terry Ellis after hearing Under Wraps is also quite something.

    I've seen all four; there were budget (widely available for 1) versions...
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    It appears they might have slipped under the...

    It appears they might have slipped under the radar again unnoticed, Isle Of Man member banging on about Eastern-European prog again...
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    Yes that's the disappointing thing with the Tull...

    Yes that's the disappointing thing with the Tull one (the shortest of the four). The Yes one went over pretty much every album. The Cream one has Ginger Baker on truly astonishing form.

    One of the...
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    A public domain copyright extension release,...

    A public domain copyright extension release, perhaps. (Bob Dylan's camp have done a few of these in MP3 and then box set form.)

    I will say that from memory, the previous release of the BBC...
  46. Thread: RIP Dr John

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    Long before he became 'Dr. John', he'd been in...

    Long before he became 'Dr. John', he'd been in the music industry for years as a session player/producer, several of the old 50s New Orleans R&B records have him on (an era he later paid homage to...
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    Odd, in the 60s it was Baldry who famously...

    Odd, in the 60s it was Baldry who famously advised him not to marry (see 'Someone Saved My Life Tonight'- Baldry is the 'someone').
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    Yes, that Classic Artists DVD was a real...

    Yes, that Classic Artists DVD was a real eye-opener for me in terms of just how hellish the atmosphere was in the band in the late 70s. Total breakdown of relationships within that band. Quite sad...
  49. I guess it's felt that they 'got away with it' so...

    I guess it's felt that they 'got away with it' so are standardising this. Very sad.
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  50. Absolutely- I won't touch anything by Concord on...

    Absolutely- I won't touch anything by Concord on principle. They are not saying that they are pressing many of their products on CD-R; consumers are the guinea pigs. This apparently now includes...
  51. This is not necessarily Amazon's fault. Steve has...

    This is not necessarily Amazon's fault. Steve has mentioned the OJC discs above; the controlling label Concord has been doing this for a while. A long thread here...
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    I should say of his 80s hits, I like 'Young...

    I should say of his 80s hits, I like 'Young Turks' and 'Baby Jane'. The latter has some regrettable 80s tropes and screechy session sax but I like it despite myself. The likes of 'Infatuation', 'Love...
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    I like Rod Stewart all the way up to 'I Was Only...

    I like Rod Stewart all the way up to 'I Was Only Joking', but there was too much bandwagon-chasing commerciality for my taste after that. But hey, it worked for him- even now, in the UK at least,...
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    There were three 'best of' DVD releases of the...

    There were three 'best of' DVD releases of the OGWT (Lindisfarne were featured) but not full episodes. OGWT was more like a magazine show with a few different studio performers, interviews and film...
  55. Thread: Django Reinhardt

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    The Proper box is the one I found for 1.50 or...

    The Proper box is the one I found for 1.50 or something years ago. They are one of the better UK public domain labels because of the presentation of their releases, way above average. So yes there...
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    He later was in their touring band (and even sang...

    He later was in their touring band (and even sang a few of his own tracks). Not sure how good a fit he was there, unless you like 'Brown Sugar' with Moog squiggles.:meh
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    It's electric piano yeah. One of few songs which...

    It's electric piano yeah. One of few songs which is not driven by Richards' riffing.
  58. Thread: RIP Roky Erickson

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    ^Their records were not released in the UK until...

    ^Their records were not released in the UK until a decade or so after the fact (whereas peers like The Seeds and The Electric Prunes did have something released here...to little effect, admittedly!)....
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    I don't have the Progeny box but am I right in...

    I don't have the Progeny box but am I right in saying none of those full show multi-tracks had ever been bootlegged? (Obviously Yessongs drew from some of them.)

    It would be nice to think there...
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    Well, I suppose this is the selling point, for...

    Well, I suppose this is the selling point, for those interested.

    "Patrick Moraz is featured on "Soon" and Tony Kaye is featured on "Yours Is No Disgrace," "Roundabout," and "Starship Trooper."
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