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    You could call it prog, I guess. The first...

    You could call it prog, I guess.

    The first 8-to-9 minutes resemble a long folk ballad as played by DarkSide-era Pink Floyd, followed by a extended spacey section, followed by a brief, more...
  2. That's about it. And you never saw them before....

    That's about it. And you never saw them before. Wow. To you, it would have been like the impact they made at Nearfest.

    SGM aren't - and weren't - really ahead of their time or after their time....
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    That might be a matter of him doing what his own...

    That might be a matter of him doing what his own audience expects and wants. Don't forget - he played, very accurately, exactly what FZ wrote. So he can do it.
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    Apparently Fripp gave his OK to the project -...

    Apparently Fripp gave his OK to the project - both to Belew for the whole concept, and to Vai for playing his guitar parts (and maybe interpreting them a little differently).
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    Joe Travers? He worked for Frank, but as an...

    Joe Travers? He worked for Frank, but as an archivist, not a drummer. However, he later worked as a drummer for Dweezil, and for other FZ legacy projects.

    David Logeman? Not that well-known as an...
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    For Thursday afternoon, I'm interested - I get in...

    For Thursday afternoon, I'm interested - I get in very late Wednesday, and am staying up north because of hotel costs.
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    Wonder who plays on this besides the Big Names?

    Wonder who plays on this besides the Big Names?
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    Stefan Signer: The OTHER Frank Zappa

    One of Chanan Haspal's YT videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPPsf2flck) put me on to this guy. He's Swiss, in his late sixties, still living, and writes/wrote music that sounded a whole lot...
  9. And the higher cost of vinyl - records cost more...

    And the higher cost of vinyl - records cost more to make, so The Biz went with acts that sounded like proven hitmakers, rather than outside bets that might develop a solid following.
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    The Band: Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar –...

    The Band:
    Electric Guitar, Acoustic Guitar – Robert Atwood
    Piano, Synthesizer, Composer, Arranger, Producer – Joe Rogers
    Acoustic Bass, Electric Bass – Jack Carter
    Drums, Percussion,...
  11. Indeed. "Salamander" is one of their best songs...

    Indeed. "Salamander" is one of their best songs ever, and perhaps unique in making trumpet sound like an absolutely normal instrument for a metal band. And as some have pointed out, the album sounds...
  12. Indeed. "Salamander" is one of their best songs...

    Indeed. "Salamander" is one of their best songs ever, and perhaps unique in making trumpet sound like an absolutely normal instrument for a metal band. And as some have pointed out, the album sounds...
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    I'd never seen that remark, but I did remember...

    I'd never seen that remark, but I did remember when he quit, and can see why people got upset. It's the sort of joke that reads like something posted at 3:00 AM, with too little sleep and too much...
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    Not prog but pop. However, I responded to this...

    Not prog but pop. However, I responded to this song and video:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pETz4IMmeDU

    In this manner:
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    I'd guess that was it, and it might be part of ...

    I'd guess that was it, and it might be part of why John, Bob, and Doug stuck with Rick for a while.
  16. I think it's his attempt at a Deep South accent,...

    I think it's his attempt at a Deep South accent, with the addition of a too-large mouthful of too-hot, too-sticky grits and a copious swig from the hip flask. It's a character he frequently does; I...
  17. They played that at Nearfest 03, over twenty...

    They played that at Nearfest 03, over twenty years ago. It notably includes Dan on the Pedal-Action Wiggler, stamping ferociously on the pedal to create a deep, gravelly, "BWAAH, BWAAH, BWAAH, BWAAH,...
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    That can be the case, I think, and sometimes is....

    That can be the case, I think, and sometimes is. Note that many great bands had someone who was musically a fifth wheel, but made up for that with songwriting and/or conceptual skills. Yes had Jon...
  19. From what I understand, every time the ONJ...

    From what I understand, every time the ONJ organization appoints a new director, he has the option of forming a completely new ensemble with a completely new repertoire. He may, in fact, be expected...
  20. "The Knife" is perhaps even more convincing than...

    "The Knife" is perhaps even more convincing than the the original.
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    Not a bad song; reminds me of late Beatles and...

    Not a bad song; reminds me of late Beatles and Collins-era Genesis. Unlike almost all other HtM in being a song, with lyrics - which are a bit "George" or "Paul", but Stan clearly means them.
  22. Both could be true. The London Festival Orchestra...

    Both could be true. The London Festival Orchestra might have been the name that Decca would apply to ad hoc assemblages of studio, East End pit-band, and moonlighting symphony musicians, put together...
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    Are you taking any of that bunkum seriously? When...

    Are you taking any of that bunkum seriously? When he gets in that mode, I usually figure it's just an elaborate piss-take; read his other posts and it's clear the guy knows enough to know that it's...
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    Happy the Man who beats cancer!

    Happy the Man who beats cancer!
  25. He did, though, seem to care about his audience....

    He did, though, seem to care about his audience. And while that audience contained a fair number of serious music nuts, the core of it seemed to be guys who were rather like FZ himself at the age of...
  26. Remember, the US was settled by old-fashioned...

    Remember, the US was settled by old-fashioned people who'd been pushed out of England, or just left. The South was settled by Cavalier aristocrats, losers to the Roundheads in the English Civil War -...
  27. Uhhhh, Frank was VERY into groping groupies. ...

    Uhhhh, Frank was VERY into groping groupies.
    Various band members have talked about it - look up the "Booger-Bear" story. He did that until Gail read him the riot act, temporarily left him, and he...
  28. I've thought that myself. There were/are...

    I've thought that myself. There were/are considerable differences in personality and working habits between them - part of which is that FZ was exceedingly American, and Fripp is exceedingly British....
  29. That's what he said. But Frank despised...

    That's what he said.

    But Frank despised weakness of any sort, and never admitted to it. He also did a certain amount of self-mythologizing, and he may have liked to depict himself as harder and...
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    Finally got a copy of Lunarians. Good stuff. It...

    Finally got a copy of Lunarians.
    Good stuff. It reminds me of Tony Banks's orchestral albums - which is not a bad thing at all. Dan B. gets that kind of Late Romantic harmonic vocabulary and sense...
  31. Frank also loved the USA. And while his...

    Frank also loved the USA.

    And while his patriotism was - no surprise - cranky and curmudgeonly, it was genuine. Linda Ellerbee (NBC News lady) had an odd long-distance friendship with him: They...
  32. It's possible. He did seem to consider...

    It's possible.

    He did seem to consider relating to and dealing with other people as "a part of his job". It was a performance of sorts to him; he could do it quite well, but didn't necessarily...
  33. New video for a new song: ...

    New video for a new song:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-Un4vSMUfE

    Very metal, both in music and imagery.

    Carla and Matthias's scenes were shot near their home on Cape Cod, while...
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    That's a proper rock 'n roll venue, and I agree....

    That's a proper rock 'n roll venue, and I agree. The other time I went, I saw some concerts there that belonged elsewhere - Julia Wolfe's Anthracite Fields, and Tyshawn Sorey's Trio.
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    It look like I'm going, so I'll need to get into...

    It look like I'm going, so I'll need to get into contact with you guys. Your numbers are still in my phone, but might be out of date.
    For what it's worth, I'm staying at the Red Roof Inn, North of...
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    They're called a "rotary" in MA, but apparently...

    They're called a "rotary" in MA, but apparently nowhere else. Older ones are called "traffic circles" in most of the Northeast US. Under either name, they earned a bad reputation for traffic jams and...
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    Here is a history of the Piano-Viole, narrated in...

    Here is a history of the Piano-Viole, narrated in Belgian French by a curator at the Musical Instruments Museum in Brussels.

    If you turn on [CC], you can get English subtitles.

    ...
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    Because Sławomir Zubrzycki - that Polish guy...

    Because Sławomir Zubrzycki - that Polish guy playing it in the video - built the instrument he's playing, and there aren't really any other new and working examples. The few of them still existing...
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    It is, and it would be interesting to hear...

    It is, and it would be interesting to hear something other than Baroque music played on it. Part of the reason for the many names is that it seems to have been re-invented a number of time, in...
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    (in Tom Waits voice) "You can call him anything,...

    (in Tom Waits voice) "You can call him anything, just don't call him late for dinner."
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    There is such a way. It's called, variously,...

    There is such a way.
    It's called, variously, the Bowed Clavier, Bogenclavier, Streichklavier, Geigenwerk, Klawiolin, Viola Organista, and Wheelharp, and amounts to a full-sized keyboard...
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    Would Jack 'o the Clock be considered acoustic...

    Would Jack 'o the Clock be considered acoustic prog?

    Yes, they do use electric bass most of the time. But otherwise there's rarely any electric lead guitar and few or no effects. And their...
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    Why not? It would be interesting. Especially...

    Why not? It would be interesting. Especially considering that you put some effort into it.

    Now I realize that in some cases those "basic 'genius criteria'" are going to be self-serving: Someone...
  44. 1 Welcome Boo's 2 (Hey Sweetheart) I'm Chako,...

    1 Welcome Boo's
    2 (Hey Sweetheart) I'm Chako, The Andronude
    3 Loose Bowel
    4 Beyond Beyond
    5 Boys, Be Dangerous
    6 Punishment, Fine'n'Splendid
    7 Virile Radishes Rising
    8 Where Is My SELF?
    9 A...
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    When The Beatles came along, rock 'n roll was...

    When The Beatles came along, rock 'n roll was considered old-fashioned. Most of the hits in '62-'63 were soul music, or that era's producer pop as done by Phil Spector et al, or poppified soul a la...
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    Nope, it wasn't him. And besides, he wouldn't...

    Nope, it wasn't him.
    And besides, he wouldn't have been able to tell anybody - remember, he only knows three words. Though I suppose he could dial Belew up on a music player, smile, and say those...
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    Not music, but a reference: Guardians of the...

    Not music, but a reference:

    Guardians of the Galaxy, pt. III has several characters discussing their favorite music. (For those who haven't seen the GotG series, a Seventies cassette mixtape is a...
  48. Nope, I have trouble with him, too. In, fact,...

    Nope, I have trouble with him, too.

    In, fact, he's pretty much the deal-breaker for me when it comes to Zep. Maybe you need to be a big Soul Music fan - which I'm not - to really get him. But I...
  49. Interesting point. Most of the comparisons...

    Interesting point.

    Most of the comparisons Geddy gets are to Robert Plant, because of the relatively heavy sound of Rush. But - like Anderson and unlike Plant - he tends to stick to the song as...
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    Sleepytime Gorilla Museum!?!?!?! I suppose...

    Sleepytime Gorilla Museum!?!?!?!

    I suppose maybe - SGM never formally broke up, so much as their day-to-day lives made it impossible to keep working together.
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    That's an interesting comment, and I can see your...

    That's an interesting comment, and I can see your point: The song parts often sound almost like straight pop-rock, except they keep going on and changing, rather than returning to the verse or...
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    I had problems with that one too. It seemed like...

    I had problems with that one too. It seemed like they might have been trying for a consistent sound, and tried too hard. The one after it, though, was a partial return to form. And I consider Mei and...
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    Dave played drums on the album, as well as guitar...

    Dave played drums on the album, as well as guitar and vocals. However, Josh does appear in some of the band shots in the video.

    Dave's a fairly knowledgeable guy when it comes to rock in...
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    Foo Fighters' Prog-adjacent Epic

    It's called, "The Teacher"; Dave Grohl wrote it about his late mother. Stylistically, it's a sort of prog-adjacent hard rock/grunge, and quite a good song, I think.
    The video uses quite a lot of...
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    Looks more like Emmo - Prince Valiant haircut, no...

    Looks more like Emmo - Prince Valiant haircut, no cape, playing to the gallery.
  56. One Shostakovich piece that might work very well...

    One Shostakovich piece that might work very well as prog-metal: Movement 3 of the Eighth Symphony. It's not hard at all to hear it as just that, only played by an orchestra.

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  57. My case, too. Partly because I love it. Partly...

    My case, too. Partly because I love it. Partly because I write music myself - and to do the best at it that I can, I need to listen to stuff that's at a lot higher level than mine. Which is classical...
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    Shostakovich could also do that. He did film...

    Shostakovich could also do that. He did film scores as well as formal classical composition. However, even his most serious work, his symphonies and string quartets, were written very quickly.

    A...
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    I checked, but it must have been so low in the...

    I checked, but it must have been so low in the search results I didn't notice.
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    Rest in peace, Ray Shulman

    Ray Shulman has died. Great musician, and THE stellar multi-instrumentalist of GG - Bass, violin, guitar, trumpet, recorder, and more. This is a sad day for our music.
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