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    I think that was 'corrected' on the stand-alone...

    I think that was 'corrected' on the stand-alone pressings- as in, removed.

    I only have the Syd Barrett one. Quite remarkable that around an hour of footage exists for what was a relatively short...
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    Granada/ITV rather than BBC but still. Some audio...

    Granada/ITV rather than BBC but still. Some audio snippets of The Beatles' first ever* TV broadcasts have emerged:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP50ulqLUHc&feature=emb_logo

    I think Apple...
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    I mentioned it on another thread, but was...

    I mentioned it on another thread, but was genuinely surprised by how many sell outs Steve Hackett had on his current UK tour. He's doing well...go to the bottom here:
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  4. Let's be honest, they are only putting out all...

    Let's be honest, they are only putting out all this stuff now because they have to. Glorified copyright extension releases. This was the last year Universal could do so, before some 'grey market'...
  5. That sampler is like the one for the Early Years...

    That sampler is like the one for the Early Years box (where three Obscured By Clouds remixes were considered more worthy of inclusion than the hitherto-unreleased 'Vegetable Man'). It looks like they...
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    It's quite a complex song really; a lot of...

    It's quite a complex song really; a lot of unusual chord changes and shifts in mood. Difficult to pull off live, I'd imagine. I remember Banks saying he wishes he'd played the piano solo better but...
  7. I think it came out on a fairly recent Eric...

    I think it came out on a fairly recent Eric Clapton collection called Life In 12 Bars.
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    Watcher Of The Skies/Seven Stones- Genesis...

    Watcher Of The Skies/Seven Stones- Genesis
    Epitaph- King Crimson
    Have You Heard-The Voyage- The Moody Blues
    O Caroline- Matching Mole
    Changes/Hung Up On A Dream- The Zombies
    Strawberry Fields...
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    Rutherford said he'd 'rather do something new'...

    Rutherford said he'd 'rather do something new' (Hackett has 'done something new' alongside the Genesis Revisited touring, obviously that passed Rutherford by!).
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  10. I've always wondered why that Oakland version of...

    I've always wondered why that Oakland version of 'White Room' was released; it's quite sloppy IMHO. They obviously had others in the archive.



    I'm sure I remember reading they used different...
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    He was in Roger Waters' band for his Pros And...

    He was in Roger Waters' band for his Pros And Cons... tour.

    I suppose there was also that period in the late 60s, playing with various John Lennon-led bands. Yoko Ono was in full-on wailing mode.
  12. The good news is that Delicate Sound Of Thunder...

    The good news is that Delicate Sound Of Thunder has been completely re-edited.

    They surely have to release at least that Blu-ray/DVD separately IMHO. God how I hated all that post-production stuff...
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    Clapton and Brock have been friends for decades,...

    Clapton and Brock have been friends for decades, yes. I didn't know Clapton and John Wetton were also good friends until the latter's death.



    It was. Claims have been made that Baker tried to...
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    Oh that was from a quite late in the day 1977 BBC...

    Oh that was from a quite late in the day 1977 BBC session I think. I don't think many other big rock bands were doing BBC sessions by then.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZg4bmG_TJ0 ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZg4bmG_TJ0

    Different vocal take here- from a live version, apparently.

    Drums again way down in the mix and the guitar too high IMHO. Sounds 'Frankensteined' as...
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    I don't think Genesis ever played it live. But...

    I don't think Genesis ever played it live. But they should have. See also 'Many Too Many' and 'Snowbound'.
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    ^The first Queen BBC session is actually just the...

    ^The first Queen BBC session is actually just the original studio backing tracks with live vocals. I was very disappointed by that when I first heard it. Not sure how Queen did it actually, it was...
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    Initially I had a 'WTF' reaction to 'Toccata',...

    Initially I had a 'WTF' reaction to 'Toccata', but over the years I've come to see it as one of their best tracks.

    The production style of BSS turns some people off. Personally I love it, not sure...
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    I think with the Queen Hammersmith show and...

    I think with the Queen Hammersmith show and others like Tull at MSG, there was a simulcast with FM radio. If you had the radio on at the same time, you would get stereo sound to accompany the...
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    The 1978 tour is underrated, I think. Certainly...

    The 1978 tour is underrated, I think. Certainly that Chicago show is one of my most listened to by anyone.

    That 1977 King Biscuit Rainbow broadcast is interesting because it has most of the songs...
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    In 1963 The Beatles did a television broadcast...

    In 1963 The Beatles did a television broadcast for the BBC called It's The Beatles which was a complete (albeit, allegedly poorly shot) live concert from the Liverpool Empire. Only about ten minutes...
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    They played most of W&W at some point on its...

    They played most of W&W at some point on its tour. I think 'Blood On The Rooftops' and 'Unquiet Slumbers...' were the only two songs not to be played at all.

    'The Cinema Show' was only played in...
  23. Cringeworthy for sure. But look at it like this....

    Cringeworthy for sure. But look at it like this. They have a new album coming out. Townshend knows how to play the media game so he comes out with stuff like this. He's been doing it for decades....
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    ^The version of 'Embryo' I'm familiar goes into...

    ^The version of 'Embryo' I'm familiar goes into mono for a section of the song. I wondered why that was done. I guess there's a complete mono tape out there somewhere then.

    The BBC was appallingly...
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    Don't have it but wasn't that on the extra disc...

    Don't have it but wasn't that on the extra disc of that Early Years box? There's something called 'Blues' listed as being from 1968 but I'm assuming it's this.

    Based on what I've heard, the...
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    They are well recorded IMHO and Lennon said the...

    They are well recorded IMHO and Lennon said the same (the quote is there for all to hear in the Anthology documentary). After a while they requested a particular engineer for all their sessions...
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    ^Most of Genesis' still haven't been released,...

    ^Most of Genesis' still haven't been released, but many of the more interesting ones were on the Archive box. One still-unreleased oddity is the version of 'Stagnation' with a different ending. And a...
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    ^In the case of the earlier recordings, they did...

    ^In the case of the earlier recordings, they did wipe a lot of tapes, sadly. Transcription discs of sessions for overseas sales are the reason many sessions exist. So next time someone moans about...
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    BBC Sessons

    Sorry for the title typo!

    I don't think we've had a thread on these but they've always fascinated me.

    The reason they initially existed was because of strict musicians' union restrictions on...
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    ^The same was true of most everything else...

    ^The same was true of most everything else they've released post-Keith Moon, IMHO. But as you say that's not to say it can't be good on those terms.

    I hope I'm not hearing what I think I'm hearing...
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    The intro just sounds dead now. Noticed it on the...

    The intro just sounds dead now. Noticed it on the first play.

    I'd have to give the whole thing a listen again.
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    Listen to a bit of the intro of 'Sorrow' on the...

    Listen to a bit of the intro of 'Sorrow' on the sample here:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Momentary-Lapse-Reason-Discovery/dp/B004ZNA5JO/

    And then listen to it on that remix. What's gone wrong?...
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    ^I gather they are coming out of 'retirement'...

    ^I gather they are coming out of 'retirement' again soon...yikes!

    Meat Loaf's AFL performance is notorious in Australia.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZdiaFXW2U8
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    :lol Is that for real?? With the possible...

    :lol Is that for real??

    With the possible exception of Dee Snider, hair-metal had so many awful vocalists. And always had that nasal whine.

    In 'prog' David Surkamp was one I really couldn't get...
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    ^Quite. And as if 'hearing the CD' is that easy...

    ^Quite. And as if 'hearing the CD' is that easy when they bury it in a £300 box.



    The original is a contender for the most overproduced album of the 80s. And unlike many Bowie fans I think...
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    Unlike, say, David Bowie's Never Let Me Down,...

    Unlike, say, David Bowie's Never Let Me Down, beyond the 80s reverb, I don't have a huge problem with the original AMLOR mix per se. It's more the none-more-80s sound choices which were a bigger...
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    Gilmour's guitar tone on the intro sounds oddly...

    Gilmour's guitar tone on the intro sounds oddly blunted now...is it just me? The way it sounded on the original seemed more epic.

    The original mix is very 80s...but it has more life in it.

    I...
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    A longer version of the KQED footage was...

    A longer version of the KQED footage was discovered after the box was released. I think the extra track was 'Astronomy Domine'.
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    That was funny...personally if I'd bought the box...

    That was funny...personally if I'd bought the box an audio release of Pompeii (as overdubbed as it is) had more appeal than a remix of OBC.

    I have read that the DVD/Blu-ray version of Pompeii in...
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    I don't think this is the case. Speaking...

    I don't think this is the case.

    Speaking personally I would have welcomed separate releases of just the CDs. Some of these have only one audio disc after all. And based on the hour-long preview...
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    I think lack of material was the case on Tarkus,...

    I think lack of material was the case on Tarkus, which has two of the damned things. But on BSS? Not so much.

    The only one I ever liked was 'The Sheriff' because it had more musical substance. It...
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    Clearly the weak link on an otherwise terrific...

    Clearly the weak link on an otherwise terrific album. If the idea was to provide light relief, well, 'Still...You Turn Me On' already provided that without being 'funny'.

    But, it's obviously...
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    I think I prefer the ECM albums because they are...

    I think I prefer the ECM albums because they are produced in more of a 'light touch' way than the Geffen albums. Just IMHO.
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    Lovingly known as 'penalty tracks' among Zappa...

    Lovingly known as 'penalty tracks' among Zappa fans. He didn't half make a mess when he put his albums on CD.



    'Vuelta Abajo' on the follow-up Turn It Over is perhaps my favourite jazz rock...
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    These two, and the eponymous Pat Metheny Group...

    These two, and the eponymous Pat Metheny Group album. 'San Lorenzo' on there is one of my favourite pieces of music by anyone, as is 'It's For You' from ..Wichita...

    Nice to see American Garage...
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    I've always hated that electric piano solo in the...

    I've always hated that electric piano solo in the original, but otherwise it doesn't bother me. I'd rather 'Inside And Out' had been there instead though.

    The remake has another terrible keyboard...
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    Actually on further reflection, I'm inclined to...

    Actually on further reflection, I'm inclined to agree with that. Possible that it was just a melody (however fragmentary) Gabriel came up with at the time and Hackett made a song out of decades...
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    It's a nice song but it doesn't really sound like...

    It's a nice song but it doesn't really sound like anything Genesis would have done in the 70s, no. I guess it would have been no more 'out of place' than 'More Fool Me', in terms of fitting on SEBTP....
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    Yes. The sound of 'older' music has always been a...

    Yes. The sound of 'older' music has always been a considerable part of the appeal for me. It's just plain nicer on the ears, even with heavier/harsher music.
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    1969, apparently! ...

    1969, apparently!

    https://www.discogs.com/Caravan-Caravan/release/3405786

    I think of this as one of the best debuts by a progressive group, certainly a more fully-realised work than (from the...
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    A few other favourites not mentioned in this...

    A few other favourites not mentioned in this thread that I could have included...Scott Walker's 3 and 4 and The Bee Gees' Odessa.
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    This is an underrated album. Danny Kirwan being...

    This is an underrated album. Danny Kirwan being brought in as another writer made such an impact ('Although The Sun Is Shining', 'Like Crying', 'My Dream', all lovely tracks). Jeremy Spencer's...
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    Such an extraordinary year. I look at the albums...

    Such an extraordinary year. I look at the albums being mentioned here and it has to be one of the greatest in rock's history.

    Maybe something like this?

    Abbey Road (my favourite Beatles album-...
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    I wonder why Wakeman is now saying, if they did...

    I wonder why Wakeman is now saying, if they did do some further concerts, they won't call it Yes. Suggesting that was a decision made by A.N. Other all along. Their marketing caused a lot of bad...
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    It was me he called a 'moron' but I didn't...

    It was me he called a 'moron' but I didn't complain, for the record. I'm just bemused by his belief that new material is around the corner.

    IMHO this band is done and indeed, never even really got...
  56. I hadn't followed this tour but was pleased to...

    I hadn't followed this tour but was pleased to see this yesterday.

    http://www.hackettsongs.com/tour.html

    So many sell-outs!
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    ^Every ARW thread ends up like this for the same...

    ^Every ARW thread ends up like this for the same reason.

    I could believe that they've done some rough demos and song fragments. But I don't think they have much if anything that is 'good to go'...
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    Not the main chart so it's basically meaningless...

    Not the main chart so it's basically meaningless IMHO. And given you can now often scrape into the main Top 10 with four-figure album sales, I wonder what kind of numbers we'd be talking about in a...
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    There's a relatively new system whereby the album...

    There's a relatively new system whereby the album is 'bundled' with the purchase of a concert ticket. And that is counted as an album sale. It's how a lot of older artists chart so highly.

    His...
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    That's about all 'Fragile' and that instrumental...

    That's about all 'Fragile' and that instrumental intro they played live were. Wakeman's thrown 'Fragile' under the bus already.

    If you have insight into anything else they've actually done, as...
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