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    Sticky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InLHtJsvKFQ&featur...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InLHtJsvKFQ&feature=youtu.be

    Art Rock Ensemble Live in Concert Volume #1
    Release Date March 7th 2017

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  2. This was an expensive undertaking for us back in...

    This was an expensive undertaking for us back in 2004

    http://www.tributarymusic.com/files/begins_before.mp3
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0jTiJAPKb4&spfrel...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0jTiJAPKb4&spfreload=10


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvFVkhGaixg&spfreload=10
  4. That is certainly an over the top copy cat...

    That is certainly an over the top copy cat record. Doesn't have the great drumming that Phil brought... good though..

    I always wonder why bands go the insane clone route?
    The spirit of the...
  5. I think Deep Purple could fall into that category...

    I think Deep Purple could fall into that category as well. Similar instrumentation, with highly varied results.
    Could there have been more great bands with various visions... without being so...
  6. I really agree. When bands take the low road and...

    I really agree.
    When bands take the low road and try to copy cat, you get some good music sometimes, but you don't get greatness. Starcastle will always come to mind. If you want to hear a few...
  7. Only similar that they both had jazzy drummers,...

    Only similar that they both had jazzy drummers, melodic bassists, virtuoso guitarists, heavy keyboard palates and very strong visionary front men.
    Of course both being from the UK and having major...
  8. Certainly there were and are the endless...

    Certainly there were and are the endless comparisons between Wakeman and Banks, Howe and Hackett, Squire and Rutheford, Bruford and Collins. Both also had big visionaries leading the conceptual...
  9. Both Bill and Phil were very jazzy drummers which...

    Both Bill and Phil were very jazzy drummers which laid the rhythmic foundation for what later became known as progressive rock. Certainly both more jazz drummers than rock drummers at the onset. On...
  10. Sure, that is correct, but I didn't ever think of...

    Sure, that is correct, but I didn't ever think of Bruford as a member of Genesis... never in the writing process etc... just filling in for Collins to get up front and sing.
  11. Can't believe I missed that...but of course........

    Can't believe I missed that...but of course..... bizarre really if you think about it.
    Beyond bizarre.
  12. For me it is better to be proactive than sit...

    For me it is better to be proactive than sit around dismally contemplating such things as "what the hell happened?"
    Last year I started a classic vinyl night at a local cafe' which quickly became a...
  13. The Astounding Parallel of Yes / Genesis

    Not sure if it was something in the air or the water, but I find it truly odd or coincidental that arguably two of the most admired progressive rock bands took such astoundingly similar trajectory or...
  14. Jazz bassists play a different role than rock or...

    Jazz bassists play a different role than rock or prog rock bassist. It's a silly comparison. You would not want Jaco in Led Zeppelin, and you would not want Jones in Weather Report etc.
  15. Four Sticks Black Dog The Ocean Over the Hills...

    Four Sticks
    Black Dog
    The Ocean
    Over the Hills and Far Away
    Kashmir
    Black Mountain Side
    Friends
    In the Light

    Just off the top of my head.. so many more..
  16. Understood, but you clearly are not familiar with...

    Understood, but you clearly are not familiar with the Zeppelin catalog.... otherwise you wouldn't comment that they just played 4x4 blues rock.
  17. Maybe the bands in your record collection.. The...

    Maybe the bands in your record collection.. The Monkees, The Stones, etc...
  18. Zep used lots of odd metered time signatures, and...

    Zep used lots of odd metered time signatures, and really that is the beauty of what they did. A person like you listens and doesn't notice them. That's more difficult to do than to sound odd...
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    Bingo!
  20. Bingo!

    Bingo!
  21. Thankfully a guy like Ingwie Malmsteen didn't end...

    Thankfully a guy like Ingwie Malmsteen didn't end up in YES or even Ed Van H for that matter.
    These guys are fantastic at what they do, but lack the diversity and dialog to excel in the "former'...
  22. Howe and Hackett took similar paths through rock...

    Howe and Hackett took similar paths through rock music of the early 70's. I don't think Howe or Hackett was critical to their bands as much as people think, because you could have switched those two...
  23. One thing I liked about JPJ was that he...

    One thing I liked about JPJ was that he understood that the bass guitar need not be a soloing instrument or a chops showcase. It's more about note selection and creating a foundation that enhances...
  24. I have always respected bands that could...

    I have always respected bands that could reproduce their albums with just their members. Those are the people I am paying to see, not a bunch of extras. I can go see any number of pop artists doing...
  25. I caught Jeff Beck last tour, and he was going...

    I caught Jeff Beck last tour, and he was going direct, and you know what? It sounded like crap. The basic sound was there, but it was flat, lifeless compared to seeing him back in the day. It was...
  26. The standard argument I hear over and over is ...

    The standard argument I hear over and over is

    "if it sounds the same, who cares?"

    The problem with that argument is that these "classic" instruments have more than just a sound, there is also...
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    The most interesting thing about PE is how they...

    The most interesting thing about PE is how they handle these threads.
    PE will allowing thread hijacking and absurdly disrespectful attacks from member to member... yet they will
    lock up one of the...
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    Is this a joke? If not, then... Jazz drumming...

    Is this a joke?
    If not, then...

    Jazz drumming of course.
    It's a defining element of progressive rock, right from the roots of it all.

    All the great prog drummers studied jazz, not rock.
    ...
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    Only trying to understand where you are coming...

    Only trying to understand where you are coming from. No need to get into a what is prog argument, just asking for your definition.
    Mine is:

    "Progressive Rock is ROCK MUSIC that adds significant...
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    Are you the pot or that black kettle over there?

    Are you the pot or that black kettle over there?
  31. Not angry at all, just waiting for an intelligent...

    Not angry at all, just waiting for an intelligent thoughtful answer as to how digital sound collagers are claiming to be musicians?
    If I copy and paste film clips from vimeo or youtube, does that...
  32. Apparently you respond without reading posts.......

    Apparently you respond without reading posts.... referring to this below, and I a flim maker?
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIVpjeigHo&spfrel...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIVpjeigHo&spfreload=10

    At the 5 minute mark Ian sounds like someone else around here.
  34. Ian asked me not to post this, but.... ...

    Ian asked me not to post this, but....


    http://www.tubechop.com/watch/8285717

    http://www.tubechop.com/watch/8286042
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqM5L5JQseI ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqM5L5JQseI

    Certainly the intro to "Lazy" could have fit nicely onto Wakeman's 6 Wives (7th wife? the missing one?)
    The theme when Ritchie comes in wraps what...
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    I could not agree more. This is Gong at their...

    I could not agree more. This is Gong at their finest moment. If it is transitional, then it's where they transitioned to their peak and then went back down the mountain on a different path. People...
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    Quit calling the kettle black..... that would be...

    Quit calling the kettle black..... that would be a start.
    "It's not Prog", but you refuse to even give your definition of it.
    "I'm not going there"...... is a total cop out.
    Say what you say,...
  38. Am I a film maker? Don't want to touch that...

    Am I a film maker? Don't want to touch that topic?
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    I have to laugh at this... It's ok to blend...

    I have to laugh at this...
    It's ok to blend classical music with rock and call it Prog, and ok to blend jazz with rock and call it prog. Even folk with rock and call it prog. But blues, oh,...
  40. According to you, I am now a professional film...

    According to you, I am now a professional film maker! We have been hired to provide music for an event put on by the US National Department of Forestry next month. It was originally just going to...
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    Well, I am quite happy to hear that. Having a...

    Well, I am quite happy to hear that. Having a similar experience out here in the SF Bay Area. We put together a 100% jazz improv band last summer with a weekly
    residence in a beautiful outdoor...
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    Is Mahavishu Orchestra Prog? In all due...

    Is Mahavishu Orchestra Prog?

    In all due respect, what is your definition of prog?
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    Thanks for posting Child in Time. I hadn't...

    Thanks for posting Child in Time. I hadn't listened to that original version in quite some time. The sound of Lord's Hammond is just beautiful, and I will always find it disappointing that so many...
  44. I see The Beatles and PF as mirror images over...

    I see The Beatles and PF as mirror images over time.
    The Beatles started more or less as a pop band that got bored and then got weirder and more artsy over time.

    PF on the other hand started...
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    I don't see it transitional at all... I see this...

    I don't see it transitional at all... I see this as them peaking at their best moment. I think this is their best album. Very unique and especially for it's time.
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    Huge audience? I certainly feel cheated... How...

    Huge audience? I certainly feel cheated...
    How old is your audience typically? Or how old are you roughly?
  47. Have I ever used the word "hate"? That is a bit...

    Have I ever used the word "hate"? That is a bit harsh. I don't like electronica, and don't have much admiration for sound collagers who insist they are musicians. It trivializes musicians. I do...
  48. But you can't make the distinction between live...

    But you can't make the distinction between live playing and relying upon pre recorded tracks? That is what I am talking about. I think real Hammonds and Rhodes Pianos sound better than their...
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    You do know this was recorded on an iphone right?...

    You do know this was recorded on an iphone right?
    Based upon that, I am sure it sounded great live, and didn't you see his Reel to Reel back there also? And they also brought out a real Hammond...
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    You do know this was recorded on an iphone right?...

    You do know this was recorded on an iphone right?
    Based upon that, I am sure it sounded great live, and didn't you see his Reel to Reel back there also? And they also brought out a real Hammond...
  51. Who's succeeding? More than likely the one man...

    Who's succeeding?

    More than likely the one man band with a laptop.
    I had two more inquiries this morning from bands NOT traveling with a drummer or bassist. It's not just an occasional...
  52. Is the goal to lighten the load or decrease the...

    Is the goal to lighten the load or decrease the baggage? Many bands today are dumping the drummer and bassist for a laptop. Is that going too far? Certainly the drummer is lugging around a lot of...
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  54. Once upon a time.. 8247 and then there was...

    Once upon a time..

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    and then there was progress....

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    We've finally arrived
  55. Ceasars Palace Morning Glory Silly Human Race....

    Ceasars Palace Morning Glory Silly Human Race....
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    Just wondering what this has to do with the price...

    Just wondering what this has to do with the price of Cornflakes?
  57. [QUOTE=Facelift;603971] Do you own a real...

    Do you own a real Hammond? I really doubt it, and even if you say you have one, I don't believe you.



    And how would you justify this absurd comment?
  58. Does this only apply to progressive rock? ...

    Does this only apply to progressive rock? Certainly a jazz quartet playing today might use an acoustic piano, upright bass, 5 piece drum kit and a trumpet or guitar. Certainly outdated instruments...
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    I could not agree more. Drumming gets more and...

    I could not agree more. Drumming gets more and more overlooked as time goes on. The majority of popular music today, techno, hip hop, etc, doesn't even employ a drummer. A lot of music from the...
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    Scorpions and REO Speedwagon, Journey wrote...

    Scorpions and REO Speedwagon, Journey wrote catchy rock ballads, but I think Stairway to Heaven is a little more than that.
    It's a more thought provoking piece, builds nicely and the guitar solo at...
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