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    I think I prefer the ECM albums because they are...

    I think I prefer the ECM albums because they are produced in more of a 'light touch' way than the Geffen albums. Just IMHO.
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    Lovingly known as 'penalty tracks' among Zappa...

    Lovingly known as 'penalty tracks' among Zappa fans. He didn't half make a mess when he put his albums on CD.



    'Vuelta Abajo' on the follow-up Turn It Over is perhaps my favourite jazz rock...
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    These two, and the eponymous Pat Metheny Group...

    These two, and the eponymous Pat Metheny Group album. 'San Lorenzo' on there is one of my favourite pieces of music by anyone, as is 'It's For You' from ..Wichita...

    Nice to see American Garage...
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    Yes he is one of few from the bigger 'prog'...

    Yes he is one of few from the bigger 'prog' groups who is arguably *better* as a player in his later years than he was in the 70s (and he was great then). I hear a greater precision and fluidity in...
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    This was a good way for people to hear the best...

    This was a good way for people to hear the best 90s/00s albums (and an unpopular 80s one!). Might be out of print already though.
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    But it's given his new solo work more exposure....

    But it's given his new solo work more exposure. In the UK at least, his chart positions for new albums are better than they were at the start of this decade. Look at how ...Tunnel's Mouth (which had...
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    I've always hated that electric piano solo in the...

    I've always hated that electric piano solo in the original, but otherwise it doesn't bother me. I'd rather 'Inside And Out' had been there instead though.

    The remake has another terrible keyboard...
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    Actually on further reflection, I'm inclined to...

    Actually on further reflection, I'm inclined to agree with that. Possible that it was just a melody (however fragmentary) Gabriel came up with at the time and Hackett made a song out of decades...
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    It's a nice song but it doesn't really sound like...

    It's a nice song but it doesn't really sound like anything Genesis would have done in the 70s, no. I guess it would have been no more 'out of place' than 'More Fool Me', in terms of fitting on SEBTP....
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    Yes. The sound of 'older' music has always been a...

    Yes. The sound of 'older' music has always been a considerable part of the appeal for me. It's just plain nicer on the ears, even with heavier/harsher music.
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    1969, apparently! ...

    1969, apparently!

    https://www.discogs.com/Caravan-Caravan/release/3405786

    I think of this as one of the best debuts by a progressive group, certainly a more fully-realised work than (from the...
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    A few other favourites not mentioned in this...

    A few other favourites not mentioned in this thread that I could have included...Scott Walker's 3 and 4 and The Bee Gees' Odessa.
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    This is an underrated album. Danny Kirwan being...

    This is an underrated album. Danny Kirwan being brought in as another writer made such an impact ('Although The Sun Is Shining', 'Like Crying', 'My Dream', all lovely tracks). Jeremy Spencer's...
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    Such an extraordinary year. I look at the albums...

    Such an extraordinary year. I look at the albums being mentioned here and it has to be one of the greatest in rock's history.

    Maybe something like this?

    Abbey Road (my favourite Beatles album-...
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    I wonder why Wakeman is now saying, if they did...

    I wonder why Wakeman is now saying, if they did do some further concerts, they won't call it Yes. Suggesting that was a decision made by A.N. Other all along. Their marketing caused a lot of bad...
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    It was me he called a 'moron' but I didn't...

    It was me he called a 'moron' but I didn't complain, for the record. I'm just bemused by his belief that new material is around the corner.

    IMHO this band is done and indeed, never even really got...
  17. I hadn't followed this tour but was pleased to...

    I hadn't followed this tour but was pleased to see this yesterday.

    http://www.hackettsongs.com/tour.html

    So many sell-outs!
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    ^Every ARW thread ends up like this for the same...

    ^Every ARW thread ends up like this for the same reason.

    I could believe that they've done some rough demos and song fragments. But I don't think they have much if anything that is 'good to go'...
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    Not the main chart so it's basically meaningless...

    Not the main chart so it's basically meaningless IMHO. And given you can now often scrape into the main Top 10 with four-figure album sales, I wonder what kind of numbers we'd be talking about in a...
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    There's a relatively new system whereby the album...

    There's a relatively new system whereby the album is 'bundled' with the purchase of a concert ticket. And that is counted as an album sale. It's how a lot of older artists chart so highly.

    His...
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    That's about all 'Fragile' and that instrumental...

    That's about all 'Fragile' and that instrumental intro they played live were. Wakeman's thrown 'Fragile' under the bus already.

    If you have insight into anything else they've actually done, as...
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    You've been saying for a couple of years that a...

    You've been saying for a couple of years that a new album is on the way. I don't think it ever will. In reality this has been a nostalgia tour project, with a couple of new doodles that didn't tax...
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    "Very, very, very strong possibility"- I think...

    "Very, very, very strong possibility"- I think the last word says it all. Non-committal, easy to get out of.

    They are done.



    You even still think that's happening??
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    Why can't you admit this band is going nowhere?

    Why can't you admit this band is going nowhere?
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    It's good to read this because I've been one who...

    It's good to read this because I've been one who has always been dubious about the nature of Fly From Here. But I also assumed that there wasn't much new in the tank, whilst enjoying 'Into The Storm'...
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    Yes, I've already said in this thread that...

    Yes, I've already said in this thread that vocally this show was not good. I agree 'And You And I' was particularly dodgy.



    Benoit David came up against the same issue decades later.
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    On the Classic Artists DVD, ISTR Phil Carson...

    On the Classic Artists DVD, ISTR Phil Carson claimed that the tour was already pre-sold before the line-up changes were announced. I have often wondered whether this was one of those 'print the...
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    I don't want to pile on the guy, but...

    I don't want to pile on the guy, but yeah...that's very sad to see. No voice.

    I remember posting that clip of 'Heavy Horses' last year with the cringeworthy background video.
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    I used to listen to Fish's show on Planet Rock....

    I used to listen to Fish's show on Planet Rock. He played some great music but also had some fun anecdotes. I distinctly remember him saying the show he saw on this tour had the single most hostile...
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    'Of course we were really making fun of prog...

    'Of course we were really making fun of prog rock'...

    Times change.
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    ^Could be this as it was a PBS special: ...

    ^Could be this as it was a PBS special:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_Tour_Live

    Only gigs played in that period...the US tour was cancelled.
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    A while back I dug out Difficult To Cure again....

    A while back I dug out Difficult To Cure again. I'd forgotten how ropey some of it was, especially 'Magic'. Russ Ballard's 'I Surrender' is at least a well written song in this style, IMHO.
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    Looks like a fair bit of this utilises those dud...

    Looks like a fair bit of this utilises those dud Geoff Emerick mixes done for the shelved Sessions album, and then officially released on Anthology 1/2/3. I was genuinely shocked when I heard the...
  34. I can't believe that's a full set. Quite...

    I can't believe that's a full set.

    Quite surprised to see 'Neon Magic' in the set. A dud of a song but the keyboard bridge is majestic.
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    ^Lynne is a very rudimentary drummer IMHO. It's...

    ^Lynne is a very rudimentary drummer IMHO. It's not so much that Bev Bevan did anything technically great, but it does sound like he knew what he was doing behind the kit. Whereas some of the fills...
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    But some on here even think those Davis Genesis...

    But some on here even think those Davis Genesis remixes are the best thing since sliced bread. Don't they.

    New isn't always better and people have a right to state their opinion.



    I've liked...
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    I really wish he'd get a proper drummer! I...

    I really wish he'd get a proper drummer!

    I think his writing chops are still there, there were some lovely songs on Alone In The Universe. But the arranging of them is quite bare-bones. If you...
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    I don't like the sound of the original...but it...

    I don't like the sound of the original...but it is what it is. This new mix is hardly a great improvement. Quite 'cramped' sounding, I'd say- typically modern. There's no air. The drum sound is...
  39. It may even be that it's just that 80s video...

    It may even be that it's just that 80s video again, with all the dodgy post-production stuff. A straight concert video would have been better, as Pulse proved.

    I remember the Syd Barrett box...
  40. There's nothing on this box which compares with...

    There's nothing on this box which compares with songs like 'Vegetable Man' being officially released for the first time. This Later Years box mostly offers expansions and alterations of things...
  41. I have heard nothing about separate releases. By...

    I have heard nothing about separate releases. By contrast it was made clear in the promotion stages of The Early Years box that the year-by-year sets would be released separately. (To date I only...
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    ^I hadn't been on Yesfans in ages. I wondered if...

    ^I hadn't been on Yesfans in ages. I wondered if that guy who got booted from here is still posting loooooong essays on there. And sure enough, he is.
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    ^Thanks for the review...the first I've read. ...

    ^Thanks for the review...the first I've read.



    Yes there's something demo-like about those at times. And then at the other end of the spectrum we have Open Your Eyes which is polished to death....
  44. I quite like both 'Biding My Time' and 'Embryo'....

    I quite like both 'Biding My Time' and 'Embryo'. I sort of group them together because they are exclusive to compilations!

    I think my favourite boxes by any artist are the three Elvis 'decade'...
  45. I enjoy all of the 1967-94 albums to varying...

    I enjoy all of the 1967-94 albums to varying degrees.

    The Endless River on the other hand I have not warmed to. I don't think that added much to their legacy at all. Comparisons to their more...
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    A thought...why couldn't they have 'bundled' it...

    A thought...why couldn't they have 'bundled' it with both versions of Fly From Here? Would have made far more sense to me.
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    It's OK...certainly better than 'The Man You...

    It's OK...certainly better than 'The Man You Always Wanted Me To Be'.

    I hear Benoit David straining a little on the higher notes, as he did in the live shows. His natural range is arguably closer...
  48. I'd rather the intro of 'What Do You Want From...

    I'd rather the intro of 'What Do You Want From Me' had been different. The song itself isn't particularly like 'Have A Cigar', but the intro is...too much so.

    The songs on The Division Bell I...
  49. I don't have anything mentioned in this thread,...

    I don't have anything mentioned in this thread, but yes. The big shot players in the industry view those who want physical product as an inconvenience. I expect further 'nudges' to move people away...
  50. I don't share the 'universal distaste'. I think...

    I don't share the 'universal distaste'. I think the rest of the album is fine. Just not those two songs. As I said they feel like the weaker moments of About Face- 'Blue Light' and the like. And...
  51. 'One Slip' is not a very good song in the first...

    'One Slip' is not a very good song in the first place IMHO. That and 'Dogs Of War' are two I've never liked. They've always felt like weak outtakes from About Face at its most 'stadium rock', rather...
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    Didn't like that version of 'From The Turn Of A...

    Didn't like that version of 'From The Turn Of A Card' either. Too modern/neo prog for my current taste. I stopped listening to this sort of stuff years ago.

    Of course it's possible Yes made more...
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    This is, presumably, what was recorded before...

    This is, presumably, what was recorded before Wakeman Jr. was elbowed and Downes brought back in. Any mention of Trevor Horn producing this stuff?

    Interested but not enough to have to get one of...
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    Yes, on this. ...

    Yes, on this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Age_of_Atlantic

    Note also the appearance of Led Zeppelin's 'Hey Hey What Can I Do'. A single B side in the US but this was its only release...
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    Biggest selling records in the US last year: ...

    Biggest selling records in the US last year:

    https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8493603/2018-top-selling-vinyl-albums-singles-amy-winehouse-prince-porg

    Abbey Road has...
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    No, in terms of units, new CDs sell double the...

    No, in terms of units, new CDs sell double the amount of new records. That's what is misleading.

    http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2019/10/09/no-vinyl-records-arent-outselling-cds-do-the-math/

    I can...
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    ^They are, and yet, still this article keeps...

    ^They are, and yet, still this article keeps coming around with that misleading headline. It's because of the price of these new 'vinyls'. When you bear that in mind, it's not remotely surprising.
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    I don't think it's a 'classic' which some of her...

    I don't think it's a 'classic' which some of her fans do, blaming Evil A&M and Evil Richard for it not coming out. I understand why it didn't come out at the time; a couple of the songs seem more...
  59. The last one I've heard which didn't have that...

    The last one I've heard which didn't have that reverb-swamped sound was To Watch The Storms. I don't know that he's made an album as good as that since...possibly coincidence, possibly not!

    Wild...
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    Yeah I'm the same. I remember first hearing that...

    Yeah I'm the same. I remember first hearing that remix and thinking, what the hell is that? It was so different.

    I do view it as being a worthwhile alternate version of the album, but I am very...
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