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    Sticky: I think the shorter things here are some of their...

    I think the shorter things here are some of their best work- particularly 'Love Remembered', 'Sylvia' and 'Focus III'. The longer, jammier stuff here is not my bag I'm afraid.
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    On a hospital radio interview way back in 1962...

    On a hospital radio interview way back in 1962 (when 'Love Me Do' had just come out), McCartney said similar- something like, 'John is in fact the leader of the group'. A fascinating listen all...
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    If the emphasis is meant to be on 'rock' with...

    If the emphasis is meant to be on 'rock' with nothing else getting in the way, then:

    Elvis Presley- Mystery Train
    Jerry Lee Lewis- Great Balls Of Fire
    Carl Perkins- Blue Suede Shoes
    Gene...
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    The man himself posted on Twitter. "Sorry to...

    The man himself posted on Twitter.

    "Sorry to say that the tour’s off as I had a hospital visit and surgery overnight. All well now but recovery time will b needed."
    ...
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    A few more El Mocambo tracks: ...

    A few more El Mocambo tracks:

    http://www.imwan.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=3118572#p3118572

    Quite a modern, reverb-y mix, really. But they sound on good form. Some interesting reflections...
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    ^I've said for a while, the solo inductions cause...

    ^I've said for a while, the solo inductions cause all sorts of issues. I think that this should be taken as read when people go in as part of bands.

    IMHO the institution has lost its way (some...
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    The original Maureen Cleeve article which caused...

    The original Maureen Cleeve article which caused this whole brouhaha didn't even remotely cause a stir in the UK.

    I always liked Lennon's 'if I'd have said television was more popular than Jesus I...
  8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jBId7gm00 ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jBId7gm00

    Because of the explosion I assume it is 'Supper's Ready' where this happened, but it's not that clear from what he's singing...it hasn't really been...
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    Jagger has often been somewhat muted about the...

    Jagger has often been somewhat muted about the album. It's definitely a grower (hence its stronger latter-day reputation) and has several songs which became fan favourites. Obviously 'Tumbling Dice'...
  10. I think vocally he improved with time, on a...

    I think vocally he improved with time, on a technical level.

    The YouTube page says the audio is not necessarily from the same Santa Monica show as the footage (they did two nights), but the sound...
  11. This was great. I too had never seen footage of...

    This was great. I too had never seen footage of '...Epping Forest' before. (That track was only played on this tour.)
  12. Thread: Dub (Reggae)

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    I like this one too- very sparse, massive amounts...

    I like this one too- very sparse, massive amounts of reverb:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WfJat4MQUw
  13. Thread: Dub (Reggae)

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    Is this the most famous dub track? It was the...

    Is this the most famous dub track? It was the first I heard, anyway:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztq7-kkygZk
  14. I am only familiar with the original Fields album...

    I am only familiar with the original Fields album but can say it is a gem. It should have been much more successful than it was.
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    It's about an hour long so not a full show and...

    It's about an hour long so not a full show and some songs are shortened. But it is definitely the one I watched most in that set as it's them at a peak, I think. It has tracks like 'Limelight' which...
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    It's mentioned in the article that Jagger had...

    It's mentioned in the article that Jagger had close involvement in some of the staging and I believe Watts did as well.

    I was playing the 2nd disc of the Exile... re-release the other day. A lot...
  17. That video of 'Black Sunday'...oh boy, yeah....

    That video of 'Black Sunday'...oh boy, yeah. That's something.

    The Bon Jovi thing is interesting- those recent videos have caused some concern online. I saw a YouTube video about this, where the...
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    And also a release of the full MSG 2003. Though...

    And also a release of the full MSG 2003. Though much of this was already released on the old Four Flicks box, the only omissions being what are known on the IORR forum as 'warhorses'.
    ...
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    I like the full 'Tonight...' a lot. The hacked-up...

    I like the full 'Tonight...' a lot. The hacked-up edits lose a lot of the song's dynamics IMHO.

    I enjoy the studio 'Throwing It All Away' but not the live versions with the 'de-da-day!'. That was...
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    Yes, apart from the 80s/90s songs I mentioned...

    Yes, apart from the 80s/90s songs I mentioned (and some other bland ones on CAS), I genuinely like the rest of their work across the decades. I like the 70s albums more but there's still a lot of...
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    It wasn't you if that's what you're thinking. I...

    It wasn't you if that's what you're thinking. I remember saying I strongly disliked it and this guy was all, 'really?', as if it were the most shocking thing he'd ever heard. I wouldn't want it...
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    I like it too. And even if I didn't, fabulous...

    I like it too. And even if I didn't, fabulous Hackett solo at the end.

    The first album has some great moments. There's a few nothing-y tracks like 'Window', but definite promise even if it's...
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    Collins hates 'Me And Virgil' so he might agree!...

    Collins hates 'Me And Virgil' so he might agree! I don't care for the faux-Americana (Collins did it better on 'The Roof Is Leaking') but I do like the uptempo bits. I don't think they should have...
  24. Thread: Unexpected Prog

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    I've heard 'Run With The Fox' in the same...

    I've heard 'Run With The Fox' in the same supermarket, a few Christmases apart! (Noteworthy because this was rare on CD, once upon a time!)

    One version of Bruce Lee's The Big Boss has Pink Floyd...
  25. It's great to read about him still selling out...

    It's great to read about him still selling out shows after so many years with this on the road. I only saw a show on the first UK tour back in 2013. That was before the 'themes' of subsequent tours,...
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    Thanks. Actually I'm not sure what's out...

    Thanks.

    Actually I'm not sure what's out there from the 60s Mothers live, beyond the Ahead Of Their Time CD. The 70s bands seem better represented.
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    I don't own any of these sets but looking at the...

    I don't own any of these sets but looking at the tracklist, one thing which struck me here was that one of the set-lists had a long run of Freak Out! songs played. Which seemed unusual...wonder if...
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    ^:lol I just don't know how people keep up...

    ^:lol

    I just don't know how people keep up with all the Zappa product coming out now, as appealing as a lot of it looks.
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    Yeah TBH when I watched, I wondered whether this...

    Yeah TBH when I watched, I wondered whether this was some also-ran band from back then.
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    Roger Waters is known for having pre-recorded...

    Roger Waters is known for having pre-recorded vocals in his solo shows. Someone will say his shows are as much about the spectacle anyway, but this lip-synching puts him somewhat at odds with his...
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    Thanks for confirming. As for differences on...

    Thanks for confirming.

    As for differences on the ATTWT remix, the backing vocals in 'Undertow' are louder, and the synth solo towards the end of '...Motherlode' is lower in the mix. 'Many Too...
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    ISTR reading that the multi-tracks for 'Say It's...

    ISTR reading that the multi-tracks for 'Say It's Alright Joe' had gone walkabout. Certainly if you listen to the remixed album, that track has a different sound to the rest of it- probably the...
  33. 'The Lamia' was the first track on that second...

    'The Lamia' was the first track on that second disc to get its claws into me. Banks' keyboards create such an eerie, haunting vibe. And the closing guitar solo is one of Hackett's best ever IMHO.
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    Because Progatron's not even talking about...

    Because Progatron's not even talking about 'Ripples', that's why.

    I do really like the psychedelic-flavoured jam at the end of the original 'It's Yourself', it shouldn't be shortened.

    Strange...
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    They are both on it but only 'Duchess' claims to...

    They are both on it but only 'Duchess' claims to be remixed. Which is odd because of the segue.
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    Probably 2/3 of The Platinum Collection was...

    Probably 2/3 of The Platinum Collection was remixed, based on the back cover. (It is unclear to me how 'Behind The Lines' wasn't remixed on this and yet 'Duchess' was!) Purely in terms of track...
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    'Your Own Special Way' would have been better in...

    'Your Own Special Way' would have been better in shortened form. The first thing I'd ditch would be that electric piano solo. Oddly, I really like that 1980s Australian live version with the...
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    ^Yes you're doubtless right, it probably seemed a...

    ^Yes you're doubtless right, it probably seemed a lot quieter because it was single-tracked. There's something similarly weird going on towards the end of 'Your Own Special Way' (the 'of holding my...
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    ^Thanks. I only myself became aware of these...

    ^Thanks. I only myself became aware of these particular differences 4/5 years ago. Other than Gabriel's overdubs, I like the sound of the first Archive set. Nick Davis did a good job on that. The...
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    This one interests me. That swell guitar is on...

    This one interests me. That swell guitar is on the Belgian TV/BBC radio versions recorded prior, so it was a feature of the song, but oddly it was mixed out on its release. I am unaware of a CD...
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    The title track of ATOTT had some vocals missing...

    The title track of ATOTT had some vocals missing at the end. I think 'hello friend...' was gone altogether and '...welcome home' was different somehow.
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    The only actual box I bought was the 1970-5 one....

    The only actual box I bought was the 1970-5 one. (Those albums didn't come out separately anyway...in the UK at least.) I did enjoy the DVDs a lot and still play those from time to time. The...
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    Well you've practically built a shrine to them so...

    Well you've practically built a shrine to them so I can't compete with that. And actually I posted about the changes that made sense to me. Sorry if that's not positive enough for you.





    The...
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    It's a funny thing, really- I never noticed some...

    It's a funny thing, really- I never noticed some of the ones you mention and they seem much more obvious than this.

    With Trespass, aren't the gaps between the tracks shorter on the remix as well?...
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    The bit in question is around the 4:35 mark. When...

    The bit in question is around the 4:35 mark. When I said Mellotron solo, I meant the end where everyone else except Banks drops out. I might not have been clear on that. The removed parts are...
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    The really big thing with these remixes, even...

    The really big thing with these remixes, even more than these changes made, is the way they sound. Just far too loud and 'modern' IMHO. I just don't think Genesis are meant to sound like this. OK as...
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    Another one I'd forgotten. The original 'Supper's...

    Another one I'd forgotten. The original 'Supper's Ready' had quite a few bum (bass pedal?) notes from Rutherford towards the end, there's a whopper just before the fade for instance. These have now...
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    Truly exhaustive and necessary work. TBH I'd...

    Truly exhaustive and necessary work. TBH I'd never noticed a fair amount of that.

    Nursery Cryme has a few other things. There's a click-like noise a few seconds before 'I've been waiting here for...
  49. It is broad, sure, but I think it is fair to say...

    It is broad, sure, but I think it is fair to say that he doesn't like the second disc and has been pretty dismissive about the overall concept.

    For my part I think some of their best work is on...
  50. I remember in one of the books where Gabriel said...

    I remember in one of the books where Gabriel said that early on, he would be the one who'd deal with agents etc.

    Interestingly, there was an interview with John Gustafson where he said that not...
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    I remember reading back then that Collins had...

    I remember reading back then that Collins had wanted to do this for his 'First Farewell Tour', but didn't. I agree that would have been a way forward here.
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    I've watched When In Rome quite a bit, but yes,...

    I've watched When In Rome quite a bit, but yes, Live Over Europe I haven't played that much since 2007. Then again I don't play The Way We Walk CDs that much either- I don't like the 'shorts/longs'...
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    Heavily downtuned as the songs were, from what I...

    Heavily downtuned as the songs were, from what I checked out of this tour...vocally, I've heard much worse. He's still singing in tune, which isn't a given! I'd say Collins improved from what was...
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    I too have heard from a few sources that there's...

    I too have heard from a few sources that there's not going to be a DVD release of this tour. And I also definitely think that's the right move, for a variety of reasons.



    Indeed, and I don't...
  55. I watched the first half again last night and...

    I watched the first half again last night and actually I was wrong about this documentary 'covering the early albums'. Beyond Mike Keneally offering some historical context, it doesn't even do that,...
  56. I thought the interviews were good- particularly...

    I thought the interviews were good- particularly Ruth Underwood and (despite various controversies) his widow Gail.

    I liked the Classic Albums documentary on Overnite Sensation/Apostrophe. You...
  57. I didn't mean they should do an in-depth look at...

    I didn't mean they should do an in-depth look at every single album, and the harpsichord playing on 'Evelyn, A Modified Dog' or whatever. But I was surprised how little attention even the...
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    Agreed. Yep. I mean actually there's not...

    Agreed.



    Yep. I mean actually there's not that much of that in what follows, between 1972-5 or so. ('Dinah Moe Humm' being the main exception.) But in this Flo and Eddie era, it's full of it....
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    I don't think Suede are that well known in the...

    I don't think Suede are that well known in the US...they were called 'London Suede' there. Worth checking them out too.

    There were still a lot of good rock bands in the 90s. But by the 00s, the...
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    I think Steve completely sums up my thoughts, as...

    I think Steve completely sums up my thoughts, as I like The Turtles. But the overgrown schoolboy schtick gets old/embarrassing fast.

    I like the instrumental work in this period- Chunga's Revenge...
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