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    The original Genesis Live record was a...

    The original Genesis Live record was a budget-priced release. This wasn't uncommon with live albums at the time; on Charisma, Lindisfarne also had a budget live album out, and on Island there were...
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    A few of my favourites from their albums. ...

    A few of my favourites from their albums.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBVYmD4zTg4


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-RTCRPMoaQ
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    ^As far as I remember, in Genesis' live versions...

    ^As far as I remember, in Genesis' live versions of the song only 'As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs' was ever changed from the studio version. The exact moment is a few seconds before Gabriel comes in with...
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    ^ISTR Keith Richards saying The 'Stones choosing...

    ^ISTR Keith Richards saying The 'Stones choosing to follow James Brown on that was the worst decision they ever made. Their set is great, but pretty clearly overshadowed.

    Probably a licensing...
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    Playing Rising For The Moon again, certainly not...

    Playing Rising For The Moon again, certainly not a great album IMHO but 'One More Chance' is such a genuinely powerful track. More of a 'rock ballad' in some ways than folk per se- there's a long...
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    The tracklist of Woodstock Diaries...some of...

    The tracklist of Woodstock Diaries...some of these were in the Woodstock film, but there's a lot of acts who aren't even in the Director's Cut version.
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    FWIW I like the Woodstock film a lot- the...

    FWIW I like the Woodstock film a lot- the 'Directors Cut' is the version I'm familiar with. It gives a sense of what was going on there beyond the music. If you want more music go for the Woodstock...
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    The version you are talking about has never been...

    The version you are talking about has never been on DVD that I know of, although it was the first one I saw via the VHS. The hour-long one is an extra on the DVD with the Director's Cut (with all...
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    The original hour-long Pompeii film had none of...

    The original hour-long Pompeii film had none of the interviews anyway. It was just the music. I'm well aware Pompeii was overdubbed (for instance, a double-tracked Roger Waters singing 'Set The...
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    ^Yes that's the one, I think. I've seen a fair...

    ^Yes that's the one, I think. I've seen a fair amount of old Island discs which have the dreaded disc rot, actually.
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    I never took to the Quadrophenia film but Ken...

    I never took to the Quadrophenia film but Ken Russell's Tommy definitely has an OTT entertainment value. Some truly appalling vocals, obviously...Oliver Reed croaking out 'so yer think that '51 is...
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    A lot of good ones. A few more...Gimme Shelter is...

    A lot of good ones. A few more...Gimme Shelter is grim, compelling viewing. But in between the Altamont saga there's terrific footage of The Stones at MSG, some of which was used for their Get Yer Ya...
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    Here's what I'd guess at in rudimentary fashion:...

    Here's what I'd guess at in rudimentary fashion:

    Lover's Leap- Ab major, at least going on the 'hey babe' chorus, there's a lot of chords in the verses!
    The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man- A...
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    ^I've had a double CD where that had happened,...

    ^I've had a double CD where that had happened, foam tore up the surface. I thought it had corrupted because there were some crackling noises (as you get on CDs with disc rot). However, later I got...
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    By and large CD seems to be a resilient format,...

    By and large CD seems to be a resilient format, in my experience, and a lot of CDs I own were bought second hand. But there are exceptions.

    PDO UK was the main pressing plant (not PDO Germany)...
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    As for The Stones' BBC sessions, I like that...

    As for The Stones' BBC sessions, I like that four-song stereo session from 1964 most. It was a TV/radio synchronised experimental broadcast and has better sound than their actual records of the era....
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    The Beatles' BBC sessions are- in my view- the...

    The Beatles' BBC sessions are- in my view- the most interesting by far because, well, there's a lot more of them. Although other bands were still on the shows alongside them, none of the other bands...
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    ^Indeed, hardly any of those keys are right, to...

    ^Indeed, hardly any of those keys are right, to my ears. 'As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs' was tuned down a whole tone live (A major to G major, again to my ears).
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    My only gripe with some of these earlier mid 60s...

    My only gripe with some of these earlier mid 60s sessions by bands like this and The Who is that the guitar tones are very clean...far too much so, in fact. But they are otherwise well recorded and...
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    There's another series I forgot: ...

    There's another series I forgot:

    https://www.discogs.com/label/1449879-Pick-Of-The-Pops-For-Your-DJ

    Within that YouTube link I posted above there's a 1971 concert by John Martyn which otherwise...
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    RE; transcription discs. From 1964, sessions for...

    RE; transcription discs. From 1964, sessions for shows like Saturday Club and Pop Gear were generally assembled into compilations for overseas sales. They had Brian Matthew as host using the 'Top Of...
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    I understand that there was resistance to Peel...

    I understand that there was resistance to Peel within the BBC early on, one of his few allies being producer Bernie Andrews. The latter had previously worked closely with Brian Matthew on Saturday...
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    Even with Lennon clowning around with the lyrics...

    Even with Lennon clowning around with the lyrics ('here I am on my nose') and without his vocal intro, the version of 'Mr Moonlight' is better than the one they did in the studio. A pity they didn't...
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    ^I've heard a fairly recent version of the Star...

    ^I've heard a fairly recent version of the Star Club tapes (the 'Executive Version' or whatever it was called) and in terms of sound quality, it's not far from that tape of them rehearsing in the...
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    This was mentioned on the Canterbury thread some...

    This was mentioned on the Canterbury thread some time ago (in relation to Henry Cow) but worth trawling through this YouTube channel.
    ...
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    ^I don't personally love it but I think the ARW...

    ^I don't personally love it but I think the ARW set-lists should have at least included this song. It really would have offered something different than just the 'greatest hits' tour it turned out to...
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    It's interesting, on paper I thought this would...

    It's interesting, on paper I thought this would be the ultimate Genesis tour from a musical perspective. Certainly 'The Cinema Show' on Seconds Out is truly spectacular. But when I heard more from...
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    RE; Talk. I like the first three songs on their...

    RE; Talk. I like the first three songs on their own terms as AOR tracks, and 'Endless Dream' has its moments (although I don't share the view it's a 'lost classic'). The middle part of the album is...
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    ^Yes, John Lennon famously wisecracked that the...

    ^Yes, John Lennon famously wisecracked that the sleevenote for the eventual Lingasong album had seemingly been written with a court case in mind.

    In reality The Beatles didn't want to do those...
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    Anyone ever seen this short film? I discovered it...

    Anyone ever seen this short film? I discovered it last year and it's great, it's about the Star Club tapes and Kingsize Taylor/Allan Williams hustling the tapes around. Press the volume icon for...
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    ^Don't hold your breath. ...

    ^Don't hold your breath.

    https://www.marklewisohn.net/volume-2/
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    Also for an analysis of every track they recorded...

    Also for an analysis of every track they recorded in the studio, Ian Macdonald's Revolution In The Head.

    Their BBC sessions have been an area of particular interest for me in recent years.
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    I haven't read the book but I'm aware of the...

    I haven't read the book but I'm aware of the general tone. In one of those podcasts, Lewisohn alleged that there was score-settling, tit-for-tat going on. Harrison had previously bad-mouthed Emerick...
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    Yes, but I do not like the...

    Yes, but I do not like the anti-McCartney/Harrison chapters in later versions of Shout! Very mean-spirited in my view. McCartney loathed the book from the start, allegedly calling it 'Shite'. However...
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    Peter Doggett's You Never Give Me Your Money...

    Peter Doggett's You Never Give Me Your Money navigates the sprawling mess which followed the split.
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    I think the only record with a children's choir...

    I think the only record with a children's choir where it actively works is 'Excerpt From A Teenage Opera' by Keith West, which is a masterpiece IMHO. I'm not sure if Steve Howe is playing on it,...
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    I think 'As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs' is always...

    I think 'As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs' is always improved over the studio version. It feels like they rushed through that to fit it on the vinyl and on a technical level Rutherford hits a few bum notes...
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    FWIW I thought the 2007 tour was a good place to...

    FWIW I thought the 2007 tour was a good place to end things. It was a great set-list and was very successful, restoring their commercial status after the ignonimious way the Wilson era ended. But...
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    ^Well, you could, you know, not go? I'm not!

    ^Well, you could, you know, not go? I'm not!
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    Yeah, funny that one- I don't ever remember...

    Yeah, funny that one- I don't ever remember hearing about that track until interviews leading into that 2009 show. I'm happy to be proved wrong but it sounds like something Wakeman could have written...
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    ^Fully agree. I've seen footage of him and his...

    ^Fully agree. I've seen footage of him and his son playing that song before and thought it would have been a real highlight of these shows. A very underrated song.

    And saying 'it's so sad for...
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    ^Those two were both part of that Ladbroke Grove...

    ^Those two were both part of that Ladbroke Grove 'underground' scene. The Groundhogs are sort of somewhere between that and the British blues acts like Ten Years After, Chicken Shack, Savoy Brown...
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    'Definitive' Brian Lane, maybe.

    'Definitive' Brian Lane, maybe.
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    Well, this is quite something...a newly published...

    Well, this is quite something...a newly published (and excellent quality) photo of Robert Johnson:

    https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/new-photo-of-robert-johnson-authentic.960917/
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    ^Well, not Scratching The Surface which is...

    ^Well, not Scratching The Surface which is basically a straight blues album with a different singer on some tracks. I'd say Thank Christ For The Bomb is the most accessible introduction. However,...
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    The 1969-72 albums are all excellent. They were...

    The 1969-72 albums are all excellent. They were quite big in the UK during this era, strong chart positions. I get the impression they were more or less unknown in the US though.



    This is one...
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    ^Despite the grandiose PR ('the definitive Yes...

    ^Despite the grandiose PR ('the definitive Yes line-up') and ambitious claims in interviews, I don't think there was really a plan beyond the touring.
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    And some believed them. I always felt that it was...

    And some believed them. I always felt that it was unlikely there was anything more than fragments and doodles, beyond those two songs (one of which was only an instrumental intro, really). It was...
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    The samples sound okay but to my ears, merely...

    The samples sound okay but to my ears, merely typical Wakeman solos on top of a hard-rock backing. At least the synth sounds are good.
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    ^Fair enough! (I do at least like the Stones' BBC...

    ^Fair enough! (I do at least like the Stones' BBC session version of 'Come On'.)

    I like the snotty attitude of those early Pretty Things singles, and much later David Bowie covered them on...
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    What is it you don't agree with??? I certainly...

    What is it you don't agree with??? I certainly don't think 'Come On' or 'Long Tall Sally' are anywhere near as good as 'Rosalyn' and you've already praised SF Sorrow.:meh
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    'Rosalyn' is such an explosive debut, especially...

    'Rosalyn' is such an explosive debut, especially when you look at The Rolling Stones' and The Kinks' fairly tepid debut singles. And they pretty seamlessly moved into more sophisticated territory by...
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    The original Journey... sounds like a mish-mash...

    The original Journey... sounds like a mish-mash of live and studio to me. There's certainly a specific part on the first half where I can hear a switch, suddenly the sound becomes cleaner and less...
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    Those are live covers, obviously (maybe 'Eleanor...

    Those are live covers, obviously (maybe 'Eleanor Rigby' is studio or a BBC session). Not quite the same thing. Not that 'It's Love' wasn't nice to have! It's a mish-mash but The Word Is Live has a...
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    Most of the noteworthy outtake studio material...

    Most of the noteworthy outtake studio material seems to be from that late 70s/early 80s period. Maybe it's because the songs got shorter that there was more overspill!

    Later on but there's the...
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    Some of the Paris Sessions tracks were...

    Some of the Paris Sessions tracks were considerably edited for their official release, ISTR.

    Yes, of course The Word Is Live has live versions of both '...Fly From Here' and 'Go Through This'.
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    ^I didn't like the way his work on this album has...

    ^I didn't like the way his work on this album has been airbrushed out of history, but others on here don't have a problem with it. His live work was 'mixed' but I hear nothing wrong with his...
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    I'm not sure why Rhino didn't release that studio...

    I'm not sure why Rhino didn't release that studio 'We Can Fly From Here' then. I didn't know it existed until this thread. The instrumental 'Go Through This' (all they recored at the time) was...
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    And of course they played that and 'Go Through...

    And of course they played that and 'Go Through This' live. Yet neither seems to have got very far in the studio.

    I quite like the XYZ demos from this period as well, there's not that much...
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    ^At some point, I think in the 70s for K-Tel or...

    ^At some point, I think in the 70s for K-Tel or some label like that, he remade them again. Those were closer to the original arrangements. The Vee Jay ones were often very different to the Specialty...
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