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Gruno
11-25-2012, 08:39 PM
Might as well start a thread about the band. Anything you want to talk about.

Gruno
11-25-2012, 08:46 PM
Here is a video I put together from the 2004 promo tour:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBoSSgKSSq8&list=UU00LY5TPKAbQmNOyz82Sc0A&index=1&feature=plcp

arabicadabra
11-25-2012, 09:48 PM
In that Today show bit, Curt looks really cold - to think USA commercial morning TV finally got a peek at the talents of Nick D'Virgilio (aka "SuperGroove") and didn't realize ..... Nice vid, Gruno, thanks for sharing it here.

strawberrybrick
11-25-2012, 10:00 PM
Love the album ELAHE, in fact, may just be their finest for me. Hoping they make it Chicago in 2013 (and not a casino!)

80s were ok
11-25-2012, 10:09 PM
I hope they make it to me in 2013 and I don't care if it's a casino or not.

ProgUK
11-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Seeds of Love is probably one of my fav albums of all time. Brit pop songwriting at its best. The drum performances by Manu Katche, Simon Phillips & Phil Collins are inspiring.

ProgUK
11-26-2012, 01:34 AM
Gruno, are they ever gonna record another album?

sonic
11-26-2012, 02:07 AM
I liked the first 2 but haven't really got into anything else they've done.

Trane
11-26-2012, 04:28 AM
I liked a couple tunes here and there, (mainly the ones that sounded more Beatles-ish) but overall, they were just another 80's pop band

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 05:41 AM
they were just another 80's pop band

(How do you make a bug-eyes smilely?)

sonic
11-26-2012, 07:20 AM
(How do you make a bug-eyes smilely?)
:roll
Click the smilely icon in the editor and find it or : roll

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 08:57 AM
they were just another 80's pop band
:O

They were more than that, much more than that. Orzabal is a real talent, probably approaching genius in terms of writing.

80s were ok
11-26-2012, 09:27 AM
I liked a couple tunes here and there, (mainly the ones that sounded more Beatles-ish) but overall, they were just another 80's pop band

not really! The 80's were ok! (thanks to Tears for Fears)

trurl
11-26-2012, 09:44 AM
T4F was arguably the best 80's pop band.




But what do I know; I like Scritti Politti :D :D

Reach
11-26-2012, 09:52 AM
A band that definitely transcended the clutch of '80's flotsam. Great Art-Pop, or whatever. Long Live T4F.

Gruno
11-26-2012, 10:51 AM
Gruno, are they ever gonna record another album?

I honestly doubt it. Roland seems very happy writing fiction. He is looking for a publisher for his first book and is well into writing his next book. He still pens music/demos for others.

Curt was asking fans (via his website) if they would back a kickstarter method to fund the new album. I can't say what Roland said, but he didn't have too much to say in favor of that. In my opinion, if a band like Tears For Fears need to run a kickstarter campaign to fund a new album, then they should not be making albums. I don't mind kickstarter for some, but for a band such as TFF, it just seems 'cheap'. Curt posts on Twitter/FaceBook each time he and his children get a new Apple product (iPhone, MacBook Pro), car (Triumph, Mini Cooper), vacations, etc... so I feel that it is a bit awkward to then ask fans to "help us out" via kickstarter.

If they were to do another album, it would be years away, unfortunately.


I liked the first 2 but haven't really got into anything else they've done.

Let these two releases kick your ass:

- Raoul And The Kings Of Spain

- Tomcats Screaming Outside

Raoul has some amazing work on it. It is from the mid 90s and features TFF without Curt. Roland's material on here is some of his strongest of the TFF catalogue.

Seek out the re-released import from 2009 as it has acoustic tracks and B-sides:

http://www.amazon.com/Raoul-Kings-Spain-Tears-Fears/dp/B002FI2026/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1353944664&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=raoul+and+the+kings+of+spain


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSdUilNIVgo

Tomcats is Roland's only solo album (in name) from 2001. While different in style from any TFF album, this release is what I turn to the most when I want to hear Roland Orzabal. Give it a try.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA_lhbPVDi4&list=PLCD629D52CCE599EE&index=1&feature=plpp_video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIWH3GDb_HQ

I very much enjoy their 2004 reunion CD, Everybody Loves A Happy Ending, which is the promo tour in the clip I posted early in the thread.


I liked a couple tunes here and there, (mainly the ones that sounded more Beatles-ish) but overall, they were just another 80's pop band

You used up all those mouse clicks to then say that? :lol

sonic
11-26-2012, 11:05 AM
Let these two releases kick your ass:

- Raoul And The Kings Of Spain

- Tomcats Screaming Outside


OK. Those CDs are dirt cheap second hand, so I'll check 'em out that way.

Gruno
11-26-2012, 11:17 AM
OK. Those CDs are dirt cheap second hand, so I'll check 'em out that way.

Remember to get the 2009 Raoul release with the bonus tracks! Also has very good insight penned by Roland.

sonic
11-26-2012, 11:46 AM
Remember to get the 2009 Raoul release with the bonus tracks! Also has very good insight penned by Roland.
If you insist. :)

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 12:36 PM
Just like to make a shout for Elemental. This is the first "no Curt" album. It may not be one of their finest, but it's a good clutch of songs, and still sounds pretty fresh to my ears.

Also, their b-sides from the 80s shouldn't go unmentioned. There's a LOT of experimental music in there, a Robert Wyatt cover; get Saturnine Martial & Lunatic and the "deluxe" SFTBC and you have them all!

noisynoise
11-26-2012, 01:25 PM
I love the string of "The Seeds of Love" through "...Happy Ending". I include "Tomcats..." in the list too, high quality stuff throughout.

A lot of borderline "prog" tracks:

Badman's Song
Famous Last Words
Mr. Pessimist
Brian Wilson Said
Los Reyes Católicos (and reprise)
Who Killed Tangerine?
Ladybird

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 01:38 PM
Don't forget the awesome "Power"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2I326q_LFc

UnephenStephen
11-26-2012, 02:08 PM
Let these two releases kick your ass:

- Raoul And The Kings Of Spain

- Tomcats Screaming Outside
i'd add Elemental which was the first Roland solo T4F and one i like better than the other two.

UnephenStephen
11-26-2012, 02:12 PM
Don't forget the awesome "Power"


www.youtube.com/watch?v=EatMkM99gVMfixed it

UnephenStephen
11-26-2012, 02:27 PM
some good ones from Elemental..


http://youtu.be/tfeV2ZDP3UY

http://youtu.be/VzNvpHxWO8c

http://youtu.be/ZwbcFQKp4kM

UnephenStephen
11-26-2012, 02:27 PM
stupid rule..


http://youtu.be/A77377hXzUg

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 03:44 PM
^ that one is about Curt. A couple of glances at his website, and ya know, I'm taking Orzabal's side. :)

Gruno
11-26-2012, 04:44 PM
^ that one is about Curt. A couple of glances at his website, and ya know, I'm taking Orzabal's side. :)

:lol

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 04:46 PM
"You always said you were the compassionate one
But now you're laughing at the sun
With all your high class friends you think you've got it made
The only thing you made was that tanned look on your face
With all your cigarettes and fancy cars
You ain't a clue who or what you are "

UnephenStephen
11-26-2012, 04:55 PM
Don't forget the awesome "Power"
love the jazzy solo in the middle.

yogibear
11-26-2012, 09:08 PM
yep great band , great singing great tunes . the first two are my faves with "the hurting" slightly edging out "big chair" as my fave cd. i have elemental and raoul and think elemental is the better of the two. "everybody loves a happy ending" was very nice but seems more of a Beatles homage then a bonafide T4F cd. its not imo on the same level as the other t4f albums.

I also picked up "saturnine martial and lunatic" which is a really nice compilation of much of their other stuff that was not big hits. b side, demo versions etc etc. very nice but more for the fan who wanted some of their more obscure stuff.

wildcats screaming is pretty killer but has a more heavy rock aor sound overall with some very nice tunage.

Gruno
11-26-2012, 09:32 PM
"everybody loves a happy ending" was very nice but seems more of a Beatles homage then a bonafide T4F cd. its not imo on the same level as the other t4f albums.

Interesting take. I do like it more than The Seeds Of Love.

For those looking for Everybody Loves A Happy Ending, get the UK version which has 2 extra tracks.

Pullin A Cloud:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH-bQbl0Brc

Out Of Control:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmb4-ZWtQrQ

...both are really just Roland solo tracks ;)

Gruno
11-26-2012, 09:40 PM
If some haven't checked out the French import, Secret World: Live, definitely do so! That was recorded in 2005 in Paris for xiii Bis Records -- Tears For Fears' label they were with. Originally packaged as a CD & DVD combo. The only official DVD of Tears For Fears since their 2004 reunion. Also has Nick D'Virgilio on drums.

CD:
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-World-Live-Tears-Fears/dp/B002KQOCMY

DVD:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002JIOS7C


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f599UgMzSGw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqtV_Syt0SM

The original release also had a brand new studio song, Floating Down The River (Once Again).

strawberrybrick
11-26-2012, 09:56 PM
its not imo on the same level as the other t4f albums.



Where's those similey thingys?

:O

ELAHE is some of the best songwriting I've ever heard, TFF or otherwise. Yeah, Secret World could be straight off of Wings At The Speed of Sound, but these tunes are mature, full of hooks, lush instrumentation, stunning impassioned delivery, the lyrics are pure prose.

Even Curt manages to contribute one of his best, Who You Are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1zYMP_UXN8

Here's the amazing Closest Thing To Heaven

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPDj8lWxIIs

And Ladybird

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSppldbsSio

JIF
11-27-2012, 06:37 AM
yep great band , great singing great tunes . the first two are my faves with "the hurting" slightly edging out "big chair" as my fave cd. i have elemental and raoul and think elemental is the better of the two. "everybody loves a happy ending" was very nice but seems more of a Beatles homage then a bonafide T4F cd. its not imo on the same level as the other t4f albums.

I also picked up "saturnine martial and lunatic" which is a really nice compilation of much of their other stuff that was not big hits. b side, demo versions etc etc. very nice but more for the fan who wanted some of their more obscure stuff.

wildcats screaming is pretty killer but has a more heavy rock aor sound overall with some very nice tunage.I also hear people say that the Seeds Of Love album was also a Beatles homage. Btw, to the person that said that TFF was just an ordinary pop band(or something like that) needs to listen to some of their album cuts like Mother's Talk. Pretty deep stuff.

UnephenStephen
11-27-2012, 06:48 AM
^ that one is about Curt. A couple of glances at his website, and ya know, I'm taking Orzabal's side. :)i assume you're referring to the reason for their original break-up. don't think i've ever heard the story.




And Ladybird
nice song

roddenberry
11-27-2012, 07:48 AM
There's a band I wouldn't mind hearing new stuff from. I never get tired to hear their material, memories of good times.
-Robert

Trane
11-27-2012, 09:17 AM
:O

They were more than that, much more than that. Orzabal is a real talent, probably approaching genius in terms of writing.



not really! The 80's were ok! (thanks to Tears for Fears)

Ok, I knew I was going to get somekind of reaction (or should've guessed so), and in some ways you're both right... For the same price, I guess I might have said that TFF were one of the better pop bands of the 80's (but they're still an 80's pop band :D ;) )

OK, a hit like Shout (which I like) could've been part of Talk Talk's repertoire (say alongside Life Is What You Make it) or the other way around.... both are excellent 80's pop songs... But overall in terms of total oeuvre they're far behind Talking Heads or U2 (which both happens to 70's bands that had their better moments in the 80's) >> though the last two Talk Talk albums (which are not typical of their 80's stuff) do raise the band's overall artistic aura


But I'll listen to the YT videos posted here the coming W-E to refresh my mind on TFF

strawberrybrick
11-27-2012, 10:19 AM
The 80s were a real transition decade for music. Prog had gone or gone commercial, and that spark of punk/new wave started me looking in very different directions. There were some amazing albums that came out in that decade, and some even more amazing songs, but for me, a few bands like TFF, Talk Talk, and the Mute-era Wire (and all the associated solo work), are really what I hold dear.

The early to mid 90s made more of a lasting impression on my record collection!

Trane
11-28-2012, 05:01 AM
The 80s were a real transition decade for music. Prog had gone or gone commercial, and that spark of punk/new wave started me looking in very different directions. There were some amazing albums that came out in that decade, and some even more amazing songs, but for me, a few bands like TFF, Talk Talk, and the Mute-era Wire (and all the associated solo work), are really what I hold dear.

The early to mid 90s made more of a lasting impression on my record collection!

Well, I must say that the 80's were a bit my rock hibernation decade, once I understood I didn't have much to await from the rock/pop world... I still kept an eye on it, but certainly my interests were elsewhere by the second half of that decade..; I still made some excellent discoveries, though
http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/eat/sell_me_a_god/

Indeed my return to the rock realm started in late 91/early 92, when RHCP and the Seattle scene suddendly invaded the airwaves...
and it coincided with the arrival of the Swedish prog trio AnglaDotenBerk (which I was lucky to chance upon my library system for Angla and Landberk)...

sonic
11-28-2012, 07:50 AM
But I'll listen to the YT videos posted here the coming W-E to refresh my mind on TFF
I recommend listening to Songs from the Big Chair as an album rather than listening to the singles. That's the way it was mean to be heard. You might be surprised at how different those well known songs sound in context. That whole album just flows together, one song blending into the next. I'm not sure if it was mean to be concept album because I don't pay attention to lyrics much, but it sounds like it.

Trane
11-28-2012, 08:28 AM
I recommend listening to Songs from the Big Chair as an album rather than listening to the singles. That's the way it was mean to be heard. You might be surprised at how different those well known songs sound in context. That whole album just flows together, one song blending into the next. I'm not sure if it was mean to be concept album because I don't pay attention to lyrics much, but it sounds like it.

I actually bought the SFTBC album back then, on the strength of Shout, and it was a major disappointment.... that track was the only thing I like on it and to a lesser extent thelong closing track (if memory serves)...
it's one of those album that had the shortest stay in my record collection

I'm more interested in Seeds Of Love album, which has longer tracks, but I've never heard anything from their later albums (at least that I'm aware of)

sonic
11-28-2012, 08:51 AM
I actually bought the SFTBC album back then, on the strength of Shout, and it was a major disappointment.... that track was the only thing I like on it and to a lesser extent thelong closing track (if memory serves)...

27 years have passed. Have another go. Pick it up at your library next time you go. :)

Reach
11-29-2012, 10:17 AM
In some ways, I think they just got better with each succeeding album. So I'd recommend exploring their more recent material. I think Elemental and Raoul and The Kings of Spain are especially brilliant. I like Everybody Loves a Happy Ending a lot as well. Smart, rich pop songwriting doesn't get much better than this.

ProgUK
11-29-2012, 06:38 PM
HUGE fan. I just put together a compilation of my fav TFF tracks. Deep music...not just pop. Desert island comp for sure!!!!

The Hurting
Memories Fade
Start Of The Breakdown

Songs From The Big Chair
Head Over Heels
I Believe

Seeds of Love
Badman's Song
Sowing The Seeds Of Love
Advice For The Young At Heart
Year Of The Knife
Famous Last Words

Elemental
Cold
Break It Down Again
Brian Wilson Said

Raoul
Falling Down
God's Mistake

ELAHE
Everybody Loves A Happy Ending
Call Me Mellow
Secret World

yogibear
11-29-2012, 07:59 PM
JIF said- "I also hear people say that the Seeds Of Love album was also a Beatles homage" yeah as heard through a lsd haze maybe but sure . while they do good beatles i think they do better tears for fears myself. ;)

3LockBox
11-29-2012, 08:36 PM
I also hear people say that the Seeds Of Love album was also a Beatles homage.

Well, the title track is an homage to the Beatles, pretty blatant one at that. I think it was intentional. But nothing else on StSoL sounds like the Beatles at all. My fave album of theirs actually. Sonically brilliant and the songs are brilliant.

3LockBox
11-29-2012, 08:43 PM
I liked Everbody Loves A Happy Ending as well, but it had more than its share of Beatlesque moments. It actually reminds of an XTC album.

I liked The Hurting a bit less than anything else they did. I loved Gary Jules cover of Mad World. I bought his CD based on that one song... well, I liked that one song anyway ;)


http://youtu.be/hW93CV6m-JU

PindralProgger
11-30-2012, 06:06 PM
Just came across this new track by Junkie XL that features Curt Smith...nice 80's nod ( on purpose from what I've read about this track)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV3JCmTGbic

UnephenStephen
12-01-2012, 05:31 AM
HUGE fan. I just put together a compilation of my fav TFF tracks. Deep music...not just pop. Desert island comp for sure!!!!

Elemental
Cold
Break It Down Again
Brian Wilson Said

Raoul
Falling Down
God's Mistake


Elemental: i would add - oh i don't know - the entire rest of the album
Raoul: i would add Sketches, Don't Drink, Big Ideas

Patelena396
12-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Really sorry to read that TFF will most likely not release any more albums. A sad statement on the current state of the music industry. Roland is an amazing talent and it is a shame that it has been many years since we have heard any new music from him. Hopefully that changes in the future because though I am a big fan of all of the TFFs albums as well as Tomcats, I would love to hear more. He is still a reasonably young guy so it seems a shame for him to hang up recording new music.

Trane
12-01-2012, 02:40 PM
Well ,I watched the YT vids throughout today, and to be honest I remain unconvinced of this band being anything better than an 80's pop (better if you wish) band... despite that they've released almst more albums throughout the 90's than the 80's...

Firth
12-01-2012, 03:53 PM
Well ,I watched the YT vids throughout today, and to be honest I remain unconvinced of this band being anything better than an 80's pop (better if you wish) band... despite that they've released almst more albums throughout the 90's than the 80's...

What is better than pop;) Actually 80's pop is pretty frickin good relatively speaking. The 60's and the 80's are perhaps the best years ever for pop music. People seem to forget that pop in the 70s was shit. AOR in the 70's wasn't really pop.

Gruno
12-01-2012, 03:56 PM
to be honest I remain unconvinced of this band being anything better than an 80's pop (better if you wish) band

At least you gave it a try.

Definitely not the popular opinion around many music circles I have been within, but to each their own.

Trane
12-02-2012, 05:11 AM
At least you gave it a try.

Definitely not the popular opinion around many music circles I have been within, but to each their own.

Yeah, I know.... it's my loss after all ;)

PeterG
12-02-2012, 03:05 PM
Awful 80s pop band.


I have nothing else to say.

Lo-Fi Resistance
12-02-2012, 03:40 PM
I have nothing else to say.

...Good! ;)