Magma - Emehntehtt-Re Trilogy

[selfextraction]

Is this new performances or the ones from past DVD's?

http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Products/Magma-Emehntehtt-Re-Trilogy-2-x-DVDs-(due-to-weight-this-price-for-the-USA-only-Outside-of-the-USA-the-price-will-be-adjusted-as-needed)__Seventh-spc-VD-spc-10.aspx

[arturs]

Recorded live at Le Triton in France in November, 2014

[Steve F.]

Is this new performances or the ones from past DVD's?


Good, lord.

You think we would try to fool everyone by not saying this is a compilation from previous DVDs, if that's what it was?

:down

[selfextraction]

Good, lord.

You think we would try to fool everyone by not saying this is a compilation from previous DVDs, if that's what it was?

:down

All apologies! This one snuck up on me is all.

Will be ordering when I can sneak it in. Been spending too much recently...

[flytomars]

Say what?? When did this come out?
I was in 19/11/2014 and 20/11, is any of these shows featured?
How come Seventh didnt send an email about this?

[Dana5140]

They just got it, and I just ordered it (And then realized they also got the China DVD as well, so I have to go back and order that, too).

[flytomars]

:up The china docu is great, I love it, it is very special (though dont expect too much music in it, it is not a concert film per-se)
and the triton Kohntarkozs was mind blowing, would love to see it again.

[TheH]

Just got that one in yesterday, will watch it on the Weekend.

[flytomars]

Do you know the exact dates it was taken from?

[TheH]

Do you know the exact dates it was taken from?

Haven't opend it jet, will tell you latter (still at work).

[strawberrybrick]

:up The china docu is great, I love it, it is very special (though dont expect too much music in it, it is not a concert film per-se)
and the triton Kohntarkozs was mind blowing, would love to see it again.

Another thumbs up for the China documentary. Indispensable!

[battema]

Got the shipping notice from Chez Wayside yesterday for this and the new Gosta. Should be here either today or tomorrow...weekend zeuhl awaits!

[unclemeat]

"...a now complete work, topped off with the bright blaze of a Grand Finale" ???
This is unclear, since the 'Funëhrarïum Kanht' (not quite the brightest music ever) was not played in these shows.

[TheH]

Do you know the exact dates it was taken from?

It's from the 15th and the 21rst November 2014, so you missed by a day :p

[cannygoodlike]

That's a shame - I was there on the 13th! Never mind, it's a must have so I have ordered a copy direct from 7th Records.

[flytomars]

It's from the 15th and the 21rst November 2014, so you missed by a day :p

Oh well, still autobuy ;)

[Dana5140]

And holy shit, is it good! First, Philippe Bussonnet has to be hands down one of the great bassists. Just watching the first 2 minutes of KA shows how hard some of those lines are. And I swear I nearly cried watching James MacGaw's solo during Kohntarkosz, knowing that this would be one of his last shows with the band. They are on fire! And Benoit has more instruments up on stage than I have ever seen- marimbas, glockenspiel, tubular bells, drums and cymbals and gongs, kids' xylophone. Plus Julie Vander as well.

Get this. Phenomenal!

[calyx]

...James MacGaw's solo during Kohntarkosz, knowing that this would be one of his last shows with the band...

If memory serves, he went on to play quite a few gigs with Magma, including tours of China, North America, etc., until he was forced to stop. I last saw him play with Magma in May 2015 (again at Le Triton), which was over six months after the performances caught on this DVD.

This being said, I understand & share your feelings, although I have yet to receive the DVD (I was at three of the shows, including one the first week which had Benoît Widemann on second keyboards).

[jazz2896]

And holy shit, is it good! First, Philippe Bussonnet has to be hands down one of the great bassists. Just watching the first 2 minutes of KA shows how hard some of those lines are. And I swear I nearly cried watching James MacGaw's solo during Kohntarkosz, knowing that this would be one of his last shows with the band. They are on fire! And Benoit has more instruments up on stage than I have ever seen- marimbas, glockenspiel, tubular bells, drums and cymbals and gongs, kids' xylophone. Plus Julie Vander as well.

Get this. Phenomenal!
Is there an actual newly composed grand finale or were they just advertising the first time all the works are together?

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[JKL2000]

I'm a little confused maybe -- is this all compiled from material already on the Triton DVDs? Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Also, will Wayside and Laser's Edge have this China docu?

[moecurlythanu]

I'm a little confused maybe -- is this all compiled from material already on the Triton DVDs? Not that there's anything wrong with it.



I don't think the dates match, Jed.

[Mekanik Zain]

I'm a little confused maybe -- is this all compiled from material already on the Triton DVDs? Not that there's anything wrong with it.



Triton DVD? Are you talking about Epok s Mythes and Legends?

[Steve F.]

Also, will Wayside and Laser's Edge have this China docu?

We have it, Jed.

[Steve F.]

I'm a little confused maybe -- is this all compiled from material already on the Triton DVDs

No. Never before released.

[JKL2000]

Ok, got it now, thanks.

[Mascodagama]

Say what?? When did this come out?
I was in 19/11/2014 and 20/11, is any of these shows featured?
How come Seventh didnt send an email about this?

Do Seventh ever send any emails about anything...?

[calyx]

Do Seventh ever send any emails about anything...?

Actually they do, although not this one. I learned it was coming out thanks to this thread. But I usually get e-mails about releases and important gigs.

re: the whole Triton series, to be clear, volumes 1-4 of "Mythes et Légendes" were filmed in 2005, volume 5 in 2011. This is from 2014.

[Conti]

I was fortunate enough to attend one of the concerts they did at Le Triton in 2014, the one the day after the first Lindsay Cooper memorial concert in London. Was it the last one in their residency? I believe so. Anyway, it was a memorable concert, probably the best I've ever seen by any band in my entire life.

[Mascodagama]

Actually they do, although not this one. I learned it was coming out thanks to this thread. But I usually get e-mails about releases and important gigs.

re: the whole Triton series, to be clear, volumes 1-4 of "Mythes et Légendes" were filmed in 2005, volume 5 in 2011. This is from 2014.

I could swear I had put myself on their mailing list and never hear a thing. Well, perhaps the fault is mine!

[Dana5140]

Hey, best way to keep up with them is to get both their facebook page and their twitter feed. @MagmaOfficiel

[Pink Freud]

Got the DVD on Saturday and haven't had a chance to watch the concert yet (because I didn't want to drive my girlfriend nuts), but I watched Disc 2 with Christian Vander being interviewed by a guy who looks like one of The Three Musketeers - excellent three part interview with some pretty interesting insights.

[flytomars]

Are there english subtitles to the interview?

[chalkpie]

Are there english subtitles to the interview?

Yes, but they're in Kobaïan.

[battema]

Got this on Friday, started watching on Saturday. Damned fine stuff. I do kind of miss the synth solo in part 3 of K.A. but I suppose that's not really where they're at anymore.

[notallwhowander]

Does anyone know if they will release the audio in other formats?

[jazz2896]

Does anyone know if they will release the audio in other formats?
I asked them when the DVD was first announced and they said there were no plans for a CD version. I would've liked one, but I really can't complain, I'm sure it's glorious either way.

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[calyx]

Got this on Friday, started watching on Saturday. Damned fine stuff. I do kind of miss the synth solo in part 3 of K.A. but I suppose that's not really where they're at anymore.

They condensed some sections to make the whole thing last under two hours, and that's one of the sections that was excised. In the first week, even though they had Benoît Widemann on second keyboards, I don't think he had a solo in that section either.

[Troopers For Sound]

And I swear I nearly cried watching James MacGaw's solo during Kohntarkosz, knowing that this would be one of his last shows with the band

That solo is truly MINDBLOWING!!! And it's such a high point that I really don't miss having the KA and Hhai solos...and actually that truncated section of KA was one of the highlights for me. The whole DVD though might just be Magma's pinnacle IMHO - a few more viewings needed! Beautifully filmed as well. Quite glad they ditched the funeral section though...

Matt.

[jazz2896]

This has got to be one of the prettiest Magma releases, the soft sections, especially "Om Zanka" and much of Emehntehtt Re sound absolutely pristine.

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[chalkpie]

Ordered. Magma binge. Hamatai. Danke Schoen.

[Udi Koomran]

Do I need another Magma DVD ?
Lets see
Bobino
Trianon
Myths & Legends 1-5

[notallwhowander]

I wish there was an audio-only option, because I would love to hear the whole thing done by the current band. I don't sit around and watch things much anymore.

[NogbadTheBad]

Do I need another Magma DVD ?
Lets see
Bobino
Trianon
Myths & Legends 1-5

My thought process was going the same way, I think the Trianon triology audio is my current favorite Magma go to.

[Udi Koomran]

My thought process was going the same way, I think the Trianon triology audio is my current favorite Magma go to.


I have both DVD and the cd box but can’t say I like them

[chalkpie]

I have both DVD and the cd box but can’t say I like them

Why not? I love the performances - I just don't love the mix on the low end, with the usual 'thin' sounding kick drum and electric bass. That aside, this is one of the definitive performances of the TH Trilogie maybe along with the Epok versions. Magma seems to age quite well like good French wine. I still love the BBC Londres, but its not the full Trilogie. I'm really looking forward to diving into these ER DVDs when they arrive.

[Dana5140]

Changing the subject, isabelle Feuillebois just got married. My wife is breathing a sigh of relief. :-)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10216853682678641&set=gm.10155823207910369&type=3&theater

[TheH]

^^

What's the status of Himiko? ;)

[chalkpie]

Antoine and Himiko married or siblings? I honestly don't know.

[calyx]

Antoine and Himiko married or siblings? I honestly don't know.

They are Bernard's son and daughter. Himiko is married (or at least in a long-time relationship) with Emmanuel Borghi.

[chalkpie]

They are Bernard's son and daughter. Himiko is married (or at least in a long-time relationship) with Emmanuel Borghi.

Cheers - did not know that.

[Zappathustra]

I have never understood so far how Magma's work is divided into trilogies. If anyone cares to explain I'd be grateful.

[chalkpie]

I have never understood so far how Magma's work is divided into trilogies. If anyone cares to explain I'd be grateful.

Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogy:

Theusz Hamtaahk
Wurdah Ïtah
Mëkanïk Dëstruktïw Kömmandöh

Emehntehtt-Re Trilogy:

Köhntarkösz Anteria (K.A.)
Köhntarkösz
Ëmëhntëhtt-Rê

Each trilogy is a complete story (akin to an opera) as far as I understand it. I have no idea what they are actually about but they are all linked conceptually and thematically.

[Zappathustra]

Theusz Hamtaahk Trilogy:

Theusz Hamtaahk
Wurdah Ïtah
Mëkanïk Dëstruktïw Kömmandöh

Emehntehtt-Re Trilogy:

Köhntarkösz Anteria (K.A.)
Köhntarkösz
Ëmëhntëhtt-Rê

Each trilogy is a complete story (akin to an opera) as far as I understand it. I have no idea what they are actually about but they are all linked conceptually and thematically.

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

[Steve F.]

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

The Magma police are listening in to how you listen....

[chalkpie]

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?


The Magma police are listening in to how you listen....

Yep. And if you break that law, they will read you your rights only in Kobaian, so please pay attention.

[chalkpie]

Thanks. Are they also supposed to be listened in that order?

Yes, that is the apparent order.

[NogbadTheBad]

So I'm not meant to play them on shuffle?

[unclemeat]

And you must enjoy them.

[Zeuhlmate]

The Magma police are listening in to how you listen....

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vY8I5HvOvk8/SjgPV4yr3RI/AAAAAAAAGxI/9MlMcd3rtVg/s400/vander-1970.jpg

[Steve F.]

And you must enjoy them.

You DO enjoy them..

[aith01]

You DO enjoy them..

It's true. There is no alternative.

[Zappathustra]

I do enjoy! The only one I am nor familiar with is the Emehettwhatever Re.

The fact that they have produced these in a completely different chronological order does create a confusion.

[Zappathustra]

I enjoy! I secretly enjoy in headphones so that my second wife does not hear a single note and kicks me out of the house! Magma police should seriously consider my honest efforts to enjoy and grant me immunity!

[aith01]

I do enjoy! The only one I am nor familiar with is the Emehettwhatever Re.

The fact that they have produced these in a completely different chronological order does create a confusion.

Dude, that's one of their best! IMO, Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré is like a Top 5 Magma disc. Essential, if you haven't heard it already.

And yes, I totally agree that the non-chronological releases are confusing. :D

[Zappathustra]

Dude, that's one of their best! IMO, Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré is like a Top 5 Magma disc. Essential, if you haven't heard it already.

And yes, I totally agree that the non-chronological releases are confusing. :D

Indeed! Fantastic!

Is it music that they wrote recently, or a recording of old material? I recognised Hhai, but I mean the rest of it.

It's insane how they keep this level up to our times. I think this is the only 70's big name that has managed to do so.

[Udi Koomran]

I haven’t seen or heard this one but previous versions never convinced me
It might be due to the fact The fragments have been embedded in my for decades
Somehow this didn’t seem like a cohesive piece like MDK or TH
I guess the stitching seemed coarse
Blasphemous ?

[Zeuhlmate]

I haven’t seen or heard this one but previous versions never convinced me
It might be due to the fact The fragments have been embedded in my for decades
Somehow this didn’t seem like a cohesive piece like MDK or TH
I guess the stitching seemed coarse
Blasphemous ?

There is an early version from 1977 (Silkeborg, Denmark) you might like. Really raw.

[Steve F.]

I guess the stitching seemed coarse


I don't disagree with this, but I still enjoy it as a performance and a recording.

[Zappathustra]

Is this just stiched 70's material or more recent music involved?

[calyx]

Is this just stiched 70's material or more recent music involved?

The first main fragment (E-R Intro / Hhaï) was always meant to be a suite. In 1977, this and the Zombies section were part of a long medley which also included De Futura and the Ptah drum solo, so there's a kind of logic that they should be part of the same suite, although the segue from Hhai to Zombies didn't exist back then (at least I don't think it did) since there was De Futura / Ptah between them. In 2005, Magma began playing a work in progress version of the complete E-R suite which iirc stopped a few minutes into Zombies. The next sections were added gradually until 2008. Supposedly this includes some completely new material, but Vander has remained evasive about exactly what is newly composed, as he likes to encourage the myth that this, somehow, was how the piece was always meant to be. Well, this is difficult to reconclie with Klaus Blasquiz saying in interviews ca. 1976-77 that Emehntehtt-Re was going to be a triple-album...

[Zappathustra]

^^ very clarifying - merci beaucoup monsieur

[Udi Koomran]

Curious to know what the 70’s version was made up from
Could it be that it started as a suite and later dissected into fragments?
Or was it the other way round ?

[Zeuhlmate]

Curious to know what the 70’s version was made up from
Could it be that it started as a suite and later dissected into fragments?
Or was it the other way round ?

http://www.danbbs.dk/~m-bohn/magma/comments.htm
I will send it to you (wetransfer).

[unclemeat]

Curious to know what the 70’s version was made up from
Could it be that it started as a suite and later dissected into fragments?
Or was it the other way round ?

Lots of info in this French fanzine :
https://fr.calameo.com/books/000886196616f44af0512

My guess is that CV had an unfinished arrangement of the complete E-Rê in the 70's although not all of it could be performed then (cf the "barebones" version of "Zombies" on the Orléans 1977 recording).
The only new music added to the suite would then be the coda ("Funerarium Kahnt"), composed in the 00's.

[Udi Koomran]

http://www.danbbs.dk/~m-bohn/magma/comments.htm
I will send it to you (wetransfer).

Wow thank you very mucu

[Zeuhlmate]

Wow thank you very mucu

You are welcome.
You should allready have received an email from http://wetransfer.com with a link.

[aith01]

You guys have got me on a Magma kick now too! I listened to all of Emehntehtt-Re in the car today, and I've listened to part of the K.A. - Live In Tokyo disc, and now I'm playing Wurdah Itah. This stuff is addictive, when the mood strikes!

[chalkpie]

You guys have got me on a Magma kick now too! I listened to all of Emehntehtt-Re in the car today, and I've listened to part of the K.A. - Live In Tokyo disc, and now I'm playing Wurdah Itah. This stuff is addictive, when the mood strikes!

Yeah man, I don't think you can just spin one Magma tune or album and move on, well, at least I can't.

[chalkpie]

Ok, I got the DVD (thx SF) and watched both KA and Kohntarkosz last night. I think the latter has finally "clicked" after watching it again. The performance is pretty ridiculous too, just awe-inspiring to the nth degree. This band live has such a powerful affect on me it seems. Will watch ER later, then maybe the whole thing again!

[calyx]

Ok, I got the DVD (thx SF) and watched both KA and Kohntarkosz last night. I think the latter has finally "clicked" after watching it again. The performance is pretty ridiculous too, just awe-inspiring to the nth degree. This band live has such a powerful affect on me it seems. Will watch ER later, then maybe the whole thing again!

Good to read. I really do place "Kohntarkosz" well above anything else in the Magma oeuvre in terms of emotional depth, and despite coming late in the band's career, I've never felt its power captured so well as in this particular version. James' incendiary, almost prescient (in terms of this being his Magma "swansong", so to speak) solo is a not unsignificant factor.

[Steve F.]

If I had to pick a single fave Magma composition, Kohntarkhosz is it.

So, glad you enjoyed.

[Dana5140]

Ditto for me. The single greatest composition ever, no matter what era and what musicians. And that solo by James on Epok VI (ER) is transcendent.

[Conti]

Kohntarkosz for me too is their pinnacle in terms of composition and performance.

[Zappathustra]

Kohntarkosz. Easily.

[calyx]

And that solo by James on Epok V is transcendent.

This would be more like Epok VI, although it's not technically part of the Epok series. Just called "Emehntehtt-Re".

[Dana5140]

Corrected- but you know what I meant.

And: I have seen another clip from a different night of the same series of shows, and it is an even more amazing guitar solo, even more over the top than that one.

[calyx]

I have seen another clip from a different night of the same series of shows, and it is an even more amazing guitar solo, even more over the top than that one.

Interesting. Which night was that ? And which night is on the DVD ?

[unclemeat]

And: I have seen another clip from a different night of the same series of shows, and it is an even more amazing guitar solo, even more over the top than that one.

+1
His performance on the DVD (most likely from 21 november 2014), outstanding as it is, is not as "out there" as the two concerts I attended in this series (20 & 22/11. I made a note about his "insane" guitar solo in my diary. It was similar in concept to the one on the DVD, but on that last night it went to 11).

[chalkpie]

So does anybody know more about Julie Vander? Daughter I presume? Does she do other musical projects besides Magma? I think she blends well with Stella, Isabelle, and Herve.

[calyx]

So does anybody know more about Julie Vander? Daughter I presume?

She is the daughter of Christian [his sole offspring] and Stella Vander, and half-sister to Marcus Linon who usually does the band's lights.

She used to sing in Ad Vitam (alongside Isabelle). More recently she has done a tribute to Freddie Mercury project with a pianist.

[Dana5140]

Julie has a full concert on youtube of her singing Freddy Mercury and Queen songs and it is well worth a listen. Her voice works incredibly well in the songs she sings for this show.

This is a clip from that show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqZI9jUdH74

The MacGaw solo is out on a FB page but we have been asked NOT to share it. And it is really out there- more energetic and more "destructive" in what he does. It is wonderful!

[chalkpie]

^Cheers for the info, chaps.

[Hobo Chang Ba]

I wish there was an audio-only option, because I would love to hear the whole thing done by the current band. I don't sit around and watch things much anymore.

I don't think I've wanted a CD accompaniment of a DVD more than I do for this one.

[chalkpie]

I don't think I've wanted a CD accompaniment of a DVD more than I do for this one.

Yeah, that would be great. I'm sure there are ways to extract audio from a Blu/Ray or DVD.

[NogbadTheBad]

I don't think I've wanted a CD accompaniment of a DVD more than I do for this one.

I've always wanted a Univers Zero dvd accompaniment of a cd.

[Steve F.]

I've always wanted a Univers Zero dvd accompaniment of a cd.

One was filmed. DD wouldn’t allow it - at least at a price that was in any way affordable, since I was paying for it / for him to agree to allow it.

Was supposed to be the second disc of Clivages.

[Udi Koomran]

anyone know about James ? how is he these days ?

[chalkpie]

anyone know about James ? how is he these days ?

I thought I read somewhere recently that things were looking brighter (like he was in remission), but I don't remember where or who possibly eluded to that? Hopefully it true, he seems like such a class act and sweet guy. Really hope he beats this.

[Dana5140]

News on James has been very positive. After his treatment, he is in complete remission, if I understand the French on the Magma FB boards. He has been present at some past shows, though has not played.

Link to FB: https://www.facebook.com/groups/252189641550411/permalink/915939515175417/?comment_id=1397928040309893&notif_id=1535565682036240&notif_t=group_comment_reply