Bassoon in prog or RIO

[GuitarGeek]

Still wondering...boy or girl? (you had to be there!)

Both. As in, think Wendy Carlos.

When they played at 3RP, the guitarist/bassoonist was definitely a guy. I talked to him, very male.

But by the following year's Day Of Prog event, that's when the confusion comes in. One suspects that she's transgender, and at the time was in the process of transitioning.

[Progbear]

Uh, bassoon. On at least a couple of tracks from the second album ("Binoculars", "Squarer for Maud", "Bryden 2-step"?). Georgie Born played cello there.

She did not play on Of Queues and Cures but she did join the band after the album (along with Georgie Born). That lineup never recorded anything. Keith Thompson plays the oboe on OQ&C.

[BrianG]

I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned the fabulous band GATTO MARTE (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3802), especially their album Leolombrico. A bassoon player is one of their core members. It is a must have for fans of Belgian chamber rock like Juleverne and even After Crying.

[Scrotum Scissor]

I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned the fabulous band GATTO MARTE (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3802), especially their album Leolombrico. A bassoon player is one of their core members. It is a must have for fans of Belgian chamber rock like Juleverne and even After Crying.

I've only got their first two (they've been quite productive, owing I believe to the fact that such formally "semi-classical" stuff tends to pay off in official art grants et al.), but they are both very good. I especially like their debut, which fits well with the likes of Krakatoa and Interference Sardines, as well as with Julverne.

[TheH]

Some more Hinn íslenski þursaflokkur. This TV Show from '79 is very good fun (has to be seen)

[Zeuhlmate]

Thanks a lot !

I saw the band a couple of times live in those days.

[Rarebird]

Both. As in, think Wendy Carlos.

When they played at 3RP, the guitarist/bassoonist was definitely a guy. I talked to him, very male.

But by the following year's Day Of Prog event, that's when the confusion comes in. One suspects that she's transgender, and at the time was in the process of transitioning.

Wendy Carlos is female, not both.

[TheH]

Thanks a lot !

I saw the band a couple of times live in those days.

I would have loved to see them live. Their live DVD is awesome.

[Rand Kelly]

Lindsay Cooper played the bassoon on Fish Rising, but as far as I know she was never in Gong, and I don't think I've heard any bassoon on any of the Gong records.

Gryphon had a bassoon player, though that's obviously a different bag from "avant" or "RIO" or whatever silly label you want to put on the music.

Is a Bassoon and a Krumhorn the same thing?

[Rand Kelly]

Wendy Carlos is female, not both.

You should try and understand how some folks in their 60's like me,may tend to be somewhat confused about this. I remember being played Switched-On-Bach in band class and in 196? that artist was Walter Carlos. Same goes for Seasons and A Clockwork Orange. He did have a sex change as we all know and changed his name to Wendy. So,to today's generation there never was a Walter Carlos but that is Wendy's doing not anyone else. I see this a lot in here whenever someone even mentions this there is an autodefense mechanism prepared to correct the ignorant. I think it's fine for Walter to be Wendy,in the same way I think it's fine for anyone who wants to go through that. What I don't like is how people automatically attack others about it. I wish everyone could be more tolerant in general. Rant over.

[GuitarGeek]

What I don't like is how people automatically attack others about it. I wish everyone could be more tolerant in general. Rant over.

I think the problem is that it's not always clear which pronouns or whatever you're supposed to use. They didn't teach about such things when I was in elementary school, and I'd bet dollars to donuts, they still don't. At least, not Stateside, I don't imagine they do.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make (over seven months ago, I might add), was that someone asked if the guitarist/bassoonist from Sklenik was male or female and I was attempting to answer the question, which perhaps came off a little hamfisted, as I said, due to my American public school education. (shrug)

[Rarebird]

You should try and understand how some folks in their 60's like me,may tend to be somewhat confused about this. I remember being played Switched-On-Bach in band class and in 196? that artist was Walter Carlos. Same goes for Seasons and A Clockwork Orange. He did have a sex change as we all know and changed his name to Wendy. So,to today's generation there never was a Walter Carlos but that is Wendy's doing not anyone else. I see this a lot in here whenever someone even mentions this there is an autodefense mechanism prepared to correct the ignorant. I think it's fine for Walter to be Wendy,in the same way I think it's fine for anyone who wants to go through that. What I don't like is how people automatically attack others about it. I wish everyone could be more tolerant in general. Rant over.

Perhaps others should realise how Wendy Carlos herself feels about this. Nowadays it seems to be some kind of fashion to be coming out for it, but I think transgenders who changed earlier still feel it is no-ones business but theirs. How long should one have to live as a female, to not be reminded at that dreadfull past?

[miamiscot]

I don't know how to categorize them but:

These New Puritans Hidden

The LP began as a "Concerto For Bassoon" but soon turned into something way bigger. Lots of bassoon, oboe, electronics and really sick beats.

Highly recommended.

[Zeuhlmate]

I would have loved to see them live. Their live DVD is awesome.

I saw them the first time 1979 by accident at a free outdoor 'cultural' festival in a large park in Copenhagen arranged by the Danish Communist Party, DKP (Hardcore Sovjet line, they dont exist anymore). Never heard of þursaflokkur beforehand, just discovered them playing in a small tent passing by with a beer in my hand. þursaflokkur didnt exactly fit in, no propaganda, and music that required more braincells than most agitprop I have encountered. It was exotic and fun and reminded me somewhat of Area or Stormy Six (the mix of folk, jazz and a powerfull unrestrained singer). Bliss it was, even though no Danish people understood a word of the lyrics (They would have thousand years ago). There were some Icelanders too, since Denmark was the Icelanders preferred town for a university education (at the time). Iceland was a part of the Danish kingdom untill 1944.

I saw them 2 times at that festival, I think the second time was the next year same place, or was it the day after...(age...) Saw them indoor a year after. Allways a pleasure, was really impressed by the guitarist.
A finnish friend of mine knows one of them personally, and says he became a whale scientist/researcher.

[Scrotum Scissor]

Is a Bassoon and a Krumhorn the same thing?

Far from it. Take the s/t Gryphon album; that deep and talking reed instrument in the beginning of "Three Jolly Butchers" is bassoon, while the nosy (no "i" missing) tight one in the main 'riff' () of "Sir Gavin Grimbold" is krumhorn.

[Zeuhlmate]

Krumhorn:



Basson:

[Scrotum Scissor]

I don't know how to categorize them but:

These New Puritans Hidden

Highly recommended.

Great, great band indeed. And they play progressive rock music of today - these and dozens of other exciting groups that aren't discussed by many folks in here except for the usual ones.

[interbellum]

Sean Wayland's "Grey Goo" from "Barrenjoey" features some bassoon-playing by Ben Wendel.

[mogrooves]

Motor Totemist Guild, on occasion.