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    I have a dvd called Syd Barret and the Pink Floyd story which focuses mainly on him within the context of PF(ie: his era of the band).

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    I hope this doesn't include the story of Syd appearing at the studio during recording of WYWH as if there's anyone who's not heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    I hope this doesn't include the story of Syd appearing at the studio during recording of WYWH as if there's anyone who's not heard it.
    If it's a documentary, that's part of the story. I would bet money there are more people who don't know that story than those who do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    If it's a documentary, that's part of the story. I would bet money there are more people who don't know that story than those who do.
    Agreed!
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    Sounds interesting
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    Watching it right now, and as the biggest Arthur Lee/Love fan on PE, was astonished & pleased that Interstellar Overdrive was conceived starting with the descending chord progression at the beginning of My Little Red Book that Roger showed to Syd!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    If it's a documentary, that's part of the story. I would bet money there are more people who don't know that story than those who do.
    mmmmhhh!!! ... theoretically, most classic rock fans (I insist on this notion of fan >> more than a casual listener) into Floyd should've heard it by now...

    But there is no reasons why that "event" shouldn'b be łentionned...
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    There's even been a stage play about Syd just recently:

    https://www.list.co.uk/article/85586...ll-as-a-dream/

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    Johnny Depp supposedly interested in doing a character role of Syd. How do you think that would work out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enid View Post
    Johnny Depp supposedly interested in doing a character role of Syd.
    Eddie Murphy is going to to Arthur Lee, with Bill Cosby as the adolescent version of him. Bill needs a comeback these days, and Eddie's such a mutha character class actor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enid View Post
    Johnny Depp supposedly interested in doing a character role of Syd. How do you think that would work out?
    That was quite a while ago. I think he would have been perfect for the role, but, he's too old now.
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    I remember back when Debra Winger was supposedly going to do Grace Slick (whom she'd somewhat resemble, at least given a bittu makeup) and, way worse, Gwyneth Paltrow was rumoured to do Sandy Denny (apparently on her own insistance). Betcha'm glad they didn't come into real play.
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    What's with the fascination for Syd? I've never liked anything by Floyd that he was on, if Gilmour hadn't joined they'd have faded into nothingness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve983 View Post
    What's with the fascination for Syd? I've never liked anything by Floyd that he was on, if Gilmour hadn't joined they'd have faded into nothingness.
    I love Syd. the quirky, somewhat damaged British Whimsy which has some relation to the same vibe I get from early Genesis, though of course psychedelicized...but you know, it's a subjective thing. No accounting for taste, and all that....
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    I'm a fan of Syd's music. Don't know why. I get a visceral response. I prefer the Floyd of Saucerful, Careful, Set the Control, The Embryo, Echoes, etc. But I like Syd.

    I agree with Steve983's assessment of Floyd's staying power after the Barrett-for-Gilmour transition. There's a youtube video of Waters & Mason taking internet questions & THEY agree with this assessment. Can't do better than that. I, for one, didn't take Steve's post as negative. He was stating his like/dislike & there should be no fear of doing that on this website. It's all about personal taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve983 View Post
    What's with the fascination for Syd? I've never liked anything by Floyd that he was on, if Gilmour hadn't joined they'd have faded into nothingness.
    Being an academic historian guilty of several articles about the 60s Swingin' London phenomenon and the general relevance of the ensuing psychedelic counterculture in Britain and Europe, I can't even begin to explain how preposterously ridiculous this "assessment" appears. Sorry. What you yourself happen to "like" or not has about as much significance in this as a very tiny hemorrhoid.
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    It's a drag that, by dint of keeping the name, any discussion of Floyd often elicits the binary response of putting oneself in the Syd/ Post-Syd camp.
    It's not like, say, comparing Hatfield and The North to National Health who were, harmonically-speaking, very similar bands, despite the name change.

    The Syd Floyd and the post-Syd Floyd (once they'd found 'their sound') were radically different bands with completely different objectives and stylistic approaches.

    Syd's music connected and continues to connect with me on a very profound level in a way that, despite its obvious accomplishments, the later stuff does not. For the record, I do rather like a lot of it.

    In asking what the big deal is about Barrett's music, I could talk your ear off with plenty of examples, none of which have to do with the story, his position in popular culture or the myth but here's one that struck me recently having known the song for years...

    Take a listen to the intro and first verse of Baby Lemonade from Barrett.
    Not one of my favourites by any means, but that chord progression at the beginning and the quite extraordinary melody he sings over the top of it (and also those beautifully poetic and ambiguous words, Water's lyrics were anything but ambiguous.. that was kinda the point) are so particular to him and his vision.
    Can you think of anywhere else in pop music where there were chords or melodies like that? It seems to have no precedent. It's such an ambitious melody too. You just don't hear ideas like that in the later band, which is not a criticism but I can't imagine something like that cropping up on Wish You Were Here.
    It's SO unique to Syd. What I find so remarkable is that this very young guy left us with so little (a Floyd album, a few singles, b-sides, two solo albums and a handful of bits and bobs) and yet in this scant lot is a songwriter who's individuality and uniqueness is utterly stamped into everything he wrote.
    He totally has his own sound, harmonic and melodic language.
    It's real otherworldly magic, to these ears at least.

    I wish that every song Syd had written had been performed by himself, Wright, Mason and Waters and produced by Joe Boyd. Man, I wish Piper had been produced by Joe Boyd but it is what it is.
    I think some folks listen to a song like Opel and only hear the performance rather than the tune itself. Of course it could have been vastly improved if it had been given the full 1967 psychedelic Floyd treatment but nonetheless it's such a spectral, haunting and absolutely devastating song that no primitive performance and basic production alters that.

    That's what the big deal with Syd was and why I still, thirty years after first hearing him, go back to his music and get inspired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kavus Torabi View Post
    It's a drag that, by dint of keeping the name, any discussion of Floyd often elicits a binary response of putting oneself in the Syd/ Post-Syd camp.
    I'm proud to state that I am firmly on both camps.
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    ^Me too.

    There's so many wonderful songs on his two completed albums. Some of the outtakes were also strong- the version of 'Dark Globe' put out in the 80s is a much more 'together' performance than the 'wailing' one originally released on The Madcap Laughs.

    I find it amazing that we will at last soon be getting 'Vegetable Man' on an official release!

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    What a ridiculous post. Just because you don't appreciate his contribute to Floyd nobody else should? To say they would have 'faded into nothingness' as if that was set in stone is ludicrous. IMHO of course.

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    My favorite of solo Syd's is "Dominoes." What would THAT have sounded like if given the full-Floyd treatment! (Exclamation point; not question mark)
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    I happen to enjoy post-Syd Floyd more than the first couple of albums but I can appreciate the English whimsy, as someone else stated that Syd brought to the band. Certainly an important document of British psychedelic rock music and are still very enjoyable even to this day.

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