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    Yes SACD Japanese Box Set: More atrocity is coming

    http://yesworld.com/2013/07/yes-high...-sacd-box-set/

    REMASTERED BY
    Isao Kikuchi

    The man who destroyed the Yes discography with HDCDs and SHM-CDs in the past. Hellish Compression and EQs!

    get out

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    Wow! I can buy all of these again!

    Well, I don't actually own Big Generator...
    Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world.

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    Awesome news!
    I need finally hear some YES.
    no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone

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    Kikuchi does have a reputation for brickwalling stuff so if you don't like that kind of mastering this might be something to avoid. Anyone who wants this should steer clear of the Amazon links on YesWorld and get it for cheaper direct from Japan: http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/s/detailvie...KEY=WPCR-14663
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    Also "Money" should really be on the bonus disc alongside "Abeline" since it was an official B side from the period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frumious B View Post
    Also "Money" should really be on the bonus disc alongside "Abeline" since it was an official B side from the period.
    "Money" was unreleased until the YesYears box.

    What's missing from the bonus disc is the acappella version of "Leave It." And has the original "Red and Blue" 12 inch mix of "Owner of a Lonely Heart" ever been released on CD?

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    $563.18 from Amazon, are they out of their minds?

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    They may or may not be out of their minds. I know I am not; therefore, I won't be purchasing this.

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    PASS: I'm holding out for Steven Wilson's 5.1 remixes.

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    Isao Kikuchi has a bad rep! I'm not in on this one for sure.

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    Yeah but this time they are on SACD so your ears will bleed with higher resolution.

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    Yeh and compression equipment is actually listed.
    http://www.yesworld.com/2013/07/yes-...-sacd-box-set/


    MASTERING EQUIPMENT

    SACDs Mastered at 96khz/24bit.
    DAW: SADiE PCM2, SADiE PCM8, Avid Protools 9
    D/A Converter: dCS952
    Analog Compressor Limiter: Neve 33609
    Analog Equalizer: Sontec MES-432
    A/D Converter : Pacific Microsonic HDCD Model 2
    Digital Effector : T.C. Electronic System 6000
    PCM/DSD Converter : KORG AudioGate
    DSD Editor : SADiE DSD

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    What is baffling is why the band's management is okay with all these competing versions released in the exact same timeframe. Bizarre-o. The focus should be on SW's versions. What he's doing is rather a big deal.

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    ^exactly. I have always thought for many years Yes has less than satisfactory management.

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    At least they would never do something as dumb as releasing two new studio albums with two different lineups in a two week period.

    Oh, wait.... Erm.

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    Yes SACD Japanese Box Set: More atrocity is coming

    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    Yeh and compression equipment is actually listed.
    http://www.yesworld.com/2013/07/yes-...-sacd-box-set/


    MASTERING EQUIPMENT

    SACDs Mastered at 96khz/24bit.
    DAW: SADiE PCM2, SADiE PCM8, Avid Protools 9
    D/A Converter: dCS952
    Analog Compressor Limiter: Neve 33609
    Analog Equalizer: Sontec MES-432
    A/D Converter : Pacific Microsonic HDCD Model 2
    Digital Effector : T.C. Electronic System 6000
    PCM/DSD Converter : KORG AudioGate
    DSD Editor : SADiE DSD

    "Hand-built in Burnley, England to its original 1970’s specifications, the Neve 33609 Stereo Compressor offers comprehensive limiting and compression facilities for music recording, mastering, post production and broadcast applications. The 33609’s combination of hand-wired transformers and gain reduction circuitry produces a sound quality which is often duplicated, yet seldom achieved by any other compressor / limiter. Coupled with the unit’s unparalleled ease of use, this inimitable sound quality has made the 33609 a worldwide studio standard for three decades. "

    But I accept it is how you use it that is important.

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    It's good if the compressor is analog, however based on rep, are these new masters, and how much does it matter if its not a remix to 5.1. High res format and compression are a paradox, but some analog compression may provide a sound people subjectively attach to these albums. The live concerts I've been to have had less compression than the recordings, IMO.

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    From the stuff I've heard of his, the even bigger problem with Kikuchi is his tendency to master things like this ...

    EQ.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Innerviews View Post
    What is baffling is why the band's management is okay with all these competing versions released in the exact same timeframe. Bizarre-o. The focus should be on SW's versions. What he's doing is rather a big deal.
    I don't think current management have much control over the Atlantic back catalogue, and I don't think whoever controls the Atlantic back catalogue pays much attention to what the Japanese market is doing (and maybe the rights are separately owned there?). Howe, asked in an interview, hadn't even heard about this release.

    However, indeed, this is a distraction. As Anil says, the SW versions are the real deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    I don't think current management have much control over the Atlantic back catalogue
    Or perhaps they do and this is all intentional. :-)

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    Japan has seen numerous domestic Yes re-issues series in various formats in recent years. I see this SACD boxset as just more of the same in that regard.

    The recent splurge of non-Japanese re-releases seems more significant, suggesting some change in strategy at Warner (if I'm remembering correctly that they now own the Atlantic back catalogue). They are working with the band and management, although who pulls the shots, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    The recent splurge of non-Japanese re-releases seems more significant, suggesting some change in strategy at Warner (if I'm remembering correctly that they now own the Atlantic back catalogue). They are working with the band and management, although who pulls the shots, I don't know.
    I think it's because of things like this: http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/200...sues-box-sets/

    They let go the staff who would have been responsible for putting together big archival releases. Outside of biggies like Led Zeppelin I don't think you're going to see much of anything coming from WEA on the archival front. It's depressing because one of Rhino's strengths was always the ability to highlight more obscure music that doesn't necessarily end up on "classic rock" playlists like on the Nuggets anthologies and the Big Star box. I doubt that even a relatively straightforward Yes box like In A Word or The Word Is Live would come out on Rhino now. However, they do still own the tapes and want to get some value from them. One way to do that is to license the use of the tapes to others who are going to do the work of putting together the kind of archival package that WEA no longer has the staff to do. Notice that the only recent Yes reissues actually on Rhino are the downloads from HDTracks.

    In case people are wondering why Japan still gets so much reissue action: http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2...ords-rocks-on/
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