Why the recent obsession with UK?

[ssully]

I've got less faith in him when it comes to actually completing and releasing anything.

Henry

I can hardly wait for the inevitable Eddie Jobson/Jon Anderson project!


(kidding)

[ssully]

I'd say the instrumental sections of Carrying No Cross did come close...

THey came closer still wheh Bruford and Holdsworth played them...though of course, those were different (and more interesting) instrumental sections.

[bondegezou]

I can hardly wait for the inevitable Eddie Jobson/Jon Anderson project!

(kidding)

Jobson has already mooted the collaboration. (Not kidding.)

Henry

[cavgator]

He bass tone in KC still blows me away. It sounds like he's chopping away at the air with a twenty-pound axe!

Much to David Cross's and Alan Holdsworth's chagrin, according to Bruford's autobiography. Personally, I think Tony Levin is probably the most talented bassist in the prog genre, but I love Wetton's frontal assaults with the Mighty Crim as well as with U.K.

I think it is more buzz by the fan boys than general support...the best of thier effort, "U.K." album is ranked approx as 2,450th all times in Gnosis2000; ProgArchives does not list it in their top 250 albums either

Well, by Golly, that settles it! According to the experts at Gnosis, the debut album is behind 2,449 other albums. Makes me wonder why I wasted so much time wearing out my vinyl and CDs of it...

[cavgator]

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This is a perfect example of "to each his own". I prefer the 3 piece versions of those songs to anything I've heard on boots of the 4 piece. In fact, I prefer the 3 piece overall compared to the 4 piece. I thought 3 piece UK, and Bruford (the band) were more focused, whereas the original UK seemed like it was fighting against itself at times.

I agree, not so much with the studio album, but on the Live in Boston album, Holdsy simply seems out of place and badly mixed. While I think Carrying No Cross is very interesting on the live album, it is tighter, more sinister and powerful on Danger Money.

And the only real similarity to ELP is the instrumentation.

I have to smile at this, being that the instrumentation constitutes 80% of the music for both bands, and when you factor in the similarity between John's and Greg's voices, it is largely a complete match. Danger Money would fit well as a strong followup to Brain Salad Surgery if ELP did it, stronger than anything ELP did afterwards. Carrying No Cross, as a prog epic, sounds to me like a virtual salute to ELP's sound.

[Rufus]

I agree, not so much with the studio album, but on the Live in Boston album, Holdsy simply seems out of place and badly mixed. While I think Carrying No Cross is very interesting on the live album, it is tighter, more sinister and powerful on Danger Money.



I have to smile at this, being that the instrumentation constitutes 80% of the music for both bands, and when you factor in the similarity between John's and Greg's voices, it is largely a complete match. Danger Money would fit well as a strong followup to Brain Salad Surgery if ELP did it, stronger than anything ELP did afterwards. Carrying No Cross, as a prog epic, sounds to me like a virtual salute to ELP's sound.

I like Carrying no Cross but Pirates slaughters it!

[Rufus]

Much to David Cross's and Alan Holdsworth's chagrin, according to Bruford's autobiography. Personally, I think Tony Levin is probably the most talented bassist in the prog genre, but I love Wetton's frontal assaults with the Mighty Crim as well as with U.K.



Well, by Golly, that settles it! According to the experts at Gnosis, the debut album is behind 2,449 other albums. Makes me wonder why I wasted so much time wearing out my vinyl and CDs of it...

What's this thing with Gnosis, its been debated & concluded before that it's ratings are unreliable & a load of shite, yet one certain poster keeps referring to it as if its the bible. Unbeleivable!

[trurl]

I like Carrying no Cross but Pirates slaughters it!

If by "slaughter" you mean "minces around in a flamboyant yet non-threatening fashion" I agree with you

[JJ88]

Yes, I too have always preferred 'Danger Money'. The debut is more hit-and-miss...'fighting among themselves' is a good description. It has more good songs than bad, but there's a few tracks on there which are too vague and sketchy for this particular style of music. Now, I enjoy both 'Danger Money' *and* the two Bruford albums of the late 70s, so I think the original line-up worked better apart than together.

'Danger Money', and 'Alaska' from the debut, is indeed the sort of sound I think ELP really should have pursued in the late 70s- tighter, yet without losing musical sophistication. The only song on 'Danger Money' which falls flat to me is 'Nothing To Lose'- I think John Wetton wrote better songs in this style with Geoff Downes and Steve Howe for Asia's debut, on here it doesn't really fit stylistically.

[NogbadTheBad]

What's this thing with Gnosis, its been debated & concluded before that it's ratings are unreliable & a load of shite, yet one certain poster keeps referring to it as if its the bible. Unbeleivable!

Maybe for your tastes but for those of a Avant - Zeuhl - Experimental persuasion it's a very reliable resource. It doesn't pretend to be anything else. It's not RYM and it's not PA. You'll see significantly different results on both those site. I use it all the time and find it extremely useful.

[Patelena396]

$28 martinis

I was a member for two years, but didn't renew a month or so ago. I wouldn't have minded paying the money if I had felt that I actually got something for the money. For the most part, there is no content which is a shame because I have a feeling that Jobson has plenty of unreleased material he could make available to members. I get that Jobdon is way over protective of that kind of thing, but paying $28.00 for the chance to buy tickets to shows in Japan early and a few exclusive blogs just wasn't worth it for me at least. His blogs were interesting, but also few and far between. If he started really investing in the product, I would definitely re-join. A good example of how it is done right is Neal Morse's Inner Circle. There is a cost, but you actually get music as well as exclusive information regularly. Some of the CDs or DVDs that you receive are meh, but others are quite good. The bottom line is that Neal is vested in it and actually attempts and succeeds in making it a quality product. Not so much with the Zealots Lounge, which is a shame. I wish it was great because I think Eddie is an amazingly talented artist, but perhaps not as good of a business man. To make matters worse, he keeps promising exclusive music and content to Zealots Lounge members that never actually materializes. Eddie seems like a good guy and the lounge could be awesome if there was just more to it. Hopefully, he starts adding more material and I will gladly rejoin.

[ssully]

Jobson has already mooted the collaboration. (Not kidding.)

Henry

Well, I expect that will be finished and released around......never.

[Calabasas_Trafalgar]

Well, by Golly, that settles it! According to the experts at Gnosis, the debut album is behind 2,449 other albums. Makes me wonder why I wasted so much time wearing out my vinyl and CDs of it...

I think 2449 is much too high.

[Big Ears]

I like all the UK albums, but Danger Money is my favourite. When I bought it around the time it was released, it would be fair to say I was obsessed with the album for the catchiness of the songs and the dynamism of the playing. Sometimes, when you love something, it doesn't bear analysis.

On the subject of Allan Holdsworth, I would like to hear the Tempest album with him and Ollie Halsall together, Live in London 1974. It seems to be very rare though.

[cavgator]

I think 2449 is much too high.

Well, that's OK. There are many out there that think Metal Machine Music is a classic and groove to the beat of Revolution 9....

[calyx]

On the subject of Allan Holdsworth, I would like to hear the Tempest album with him and Ollie Halsall together, Live in London 1974. It seems to be very rare though.

If there is a version of this performance called "Live In London 1974", then it's clearly a bootleg, since any recording featuring them together would have to be from 1973, not 1974.

The truth, as reported on the Tempest Wikipedia page -

"n 2007, a double cd anthology was released entitled, Under the Blossom which featured remastered editions of the 2 studio albums, plus 2 previously unreleased bonus tracks. It also included the famous 1973 BBC live recording of a concert in Golders Green, which featured both guitarists Allan Holdsworth and Ollie Halsall."

I have this compilation. I bought it when it was first released. Has it been deleted and become rare ? I don't know. But it was once very easy to find. (And official.)

[Big Ears]

My knowledge of Live in London 1974 (or '74) is that it is from an Italian label called Microphone and is indeed a version of the BBC Radio 1 In Concert from Golders' Green. I wasn't aware of Under the Blossom, so thanks for letting me know - I'll look for the compilation/anthology instead.