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    The French music teacher and Zappa fan Christophe Delbrouck has written a very extensive 3 volume chronological biography (1300 pages which is very well written in French.
    http://christophe.delbrouck.free.fr/livres.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    I'm halfway through it now and it is extremely thorough!
    It's currently part of my tsundoku problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winkersnufs View Post
    Hi Folks!

    That book looks to be VERY interesting! I have my share of Zappa cd's in my collection, absolutely enjoy the 15-20 releases that I have, but interestingly, I'm not so sure I feel the NEED to dive further in. Nothing personal Mr. Zappa! Passage of time continues to reshape my interests... though!

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    I have less than 20 FZ CDs, although I have certainly heard more than that.

    The book was interesting just to see how much WORK (editing back and forth in ways I didn’t realize and etc etc etc) FZ put into everything, even stuff I don’t like.

    It made me even more admiring of his work ethic and craft.

    So....still well worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Chris

    I have less than 20 FZ CDs, although I have certainly heard more than that.

    The book was interesting just to see how much WORK (editing back and forth in ways I didn’t realize and etc etc etc) FZ put into everything, even stuff I don’t like.

    It made me even more admiring of his work ethic and craft.

    So....still well worth reading.
    Very interesting! I've put it on my shopping list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
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    March 29th release 5 CD set of Live in New York

    https://www.amazon.com/Zappa-New-Yor.../dp/B07KS8SBJN

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    Wow! Is that your car, or did you just happen across it somewhere?

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    Is there ever!

    http://www.newstarbooks.com/book.php?book_id=1554201462

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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01
    Wow! Is that your car, or did you just happen across it somewhere?
    Someone I know took the picture and sent it to a FZ fan we both know, who sent it to me. Thus do photos travel across the country.

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    If it's not blasphemy, I'd like to say that I'm not 100% satisfied with Wazoo (my satisfaction rate climbs only to 93%). Grand Wazoo and Big Swifty sound a little sloppy to me. Of course I understand the possible difficulties to rehearse and conduct properly such a large ensemble, but the tightness of other performances is lacking imo. Also I am not sure about Jim Gordon's input on these pieces, compared with the total Dunbar assault of the studio versions.

    On the other hand we get the Adventures of Greggery Peccary instrumental version. I am not really too fond (blasphemy again?) of the original appearing in Studio Tan, but this instrumental version absolutely nails it, and deserves to be a part of Zappa's "serious" music compositions. I believe the musical content is a lot different, if anyone could help pointing the degree of difference it would be nice. There is a recurrence of music that ended up on (or sprung from) For Calvin from the Grand Wazoo (another underrated masterpiece in my opinion.)

    Anyway, I believe the Petit Wazoo combo, as shown in Imaginary Diseases, works a bit better. And it contains some of Frank's most captivating guitar play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    There is a recurrence of music that ended up on (or sprung from) For Calvin from the Grand Wazoo (another underrated masterpiece in my opinion.)
    As I recall there was a brief quote in "For Calvin" of the "New Brown Clouds" theme that shows up more prominently in Greggery Peccary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    If it's not blasphemy, I'd like to say that I'm not 100% satisfied with Wazoo (my satisfaction rate climbs only to 93%). Grand Wazoo and Big Swifty sound a little sloppy to me.
    (snip)
    There is a recurrence of music that ended up on (or sprung from) For Calvin from the Grand Wazoo (another underrated masterpiece in my opinion.)
    (snip)
    Anyway, I believe the Petit Wazoo combo, as shown in Imaginary Diseases, works a bit better. And it contains some of Frank's most captivating guitar play.
    Approximate is even worse. It doesn't work at all with a big band, sounds like total chaos. I agree about Imaginary Diseases, its the better of the releases (as is Little Dots). But I still really enjoy most of Wazoo. As far as Calvin goes, it really is an amazing piece of music. Not easy to listen to but there's a lot of depth to it. Probably one of his most complex non-classical works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pb2015 View Post
    As I recall there was a brief quote in "For Calvin" of the "New Brown Clouds" theme that shows up more prominently in Greggery Peccary.
    You are correct, sir! I just listened to The Grand Wazoo (along with Waka/Jawaka, One Size Fits All, Roxy And Elsewhere, and most of Make A Jazz Noise Here) today. That's one of the things I do enjoy about Zappa, is picking out those bits hwere he quotes somethign else that you're not expecting, like King Kong and Oh No popping up on Lumpy Gravy (though, of course, Lumpy Gravy preceded the albums where the more fleshed out versions of those pieces appear, but I got both of them years before I got Lumpy Gravy).

    One question about Make A Jazz Noise Here: are Star Wars Won't Work and Dupree's Paradise taken from the same concert? I know the same bit of whammy guitar noise looped in both pieces. I wonder if that was something he played at one point in the show, then stored in one of his delay units, and brought back at a later point in the show, or if that whammy bar thing was something he had stored on the Synclavier and in fact pulled out on multiple occasions throughout the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    One question about Make A Jazz Noise Here: are Star Wars Won't Work and Dupree's Paradise taken from the same concert? I know the same bit of whammy guitar noise looped in both pieces. I wonder if that was something he played at one point in the show, then stored in one of his delay units, and brought back at a later point in the show, or if that whammy bar thing was something he had stored on the Synclavier and in fact pulled out on multiple occasions throughout the tour.
    "Dupree's Paradise" is edited together from several different performances, one of which is the same Stuttgart show that "Star Wars Won't Work" is from. The loop is from FZ's foot pedal; IIRC it's one of the loops he would create before the show which would be used for one show only--they were not saved when he powered down.

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    There is a very good bootleg where Zappa tells the story of Dupree's Paradise. From memory the only one I know with this spoken intro 'Around the world' 74 ???
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