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    The French music teacher and Zappa fan Christophe Delbrouck has written a very extensive 3 volume chronological biography (1300 pages which is very well written in French.
    http://christophe.delbrouck.free.fr/livres.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    I'm halfway through it now and it is extremely thorough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by winkersnufs View Post
    Hi Folks!

    That book looks to be VERY interesting! I have my share of Zappa cd's in my collection, absolutely enjoy the 15-20 releases that I have, but interestingly, I'm not so sure I feel the NEED to dive further in. Nothing personal Mr. Zappa! Passage of time continues to reshape my interests... though!

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    I have less than 20 FZ CDs, although I have certainly heard more than that.

    The book was interesting just to see how much WORK (editing back and forth in ways I didn’t realize and etc etc etc) FZ put into everything, even stuff I don’t like.

    It made me even more admiring of his work ethic and craft.

    So....still well worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Chris

    I have less than 20 FZ CDs, although I have certainly heard more than that.

    The book was interesting just to see how much WORK (editing back and forth in ways I didn’t realize and etc etc etc) FZ put into everything, even stuff I don’t like.

    It made me even more admiring of his work ethic and craft.

    So....still well worth reading.
    Very interesting! I've put it on my shopping list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
    It's currently part of my tsundoku problem.
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    March 29th release 5 CD set of Live in New York

    https://www.amazon.com/Zappa-New-Yor.../dp/B07KS8SBJN

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    Wow! Is that your car, or did you just happen across it somewhere?

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    Is there ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01
    Wow! Is that your car, or did you just happen across it somewhere?
    Someone I know took the picture and sent it to a FZ fan we both know, who sent it to me. Thus do photos travel across the country.

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    If it's not blasphemy, I'd like to say that I'm not 100% satisfied with Wazoo (my satisfaction rate climbs only to 93%). Grand Wazoo and Big Swifty sound a little sloppy to me. Of course I understand the possible difficulties to rehearse and conduct properly such a large ensemble, but the tightness of other performances is lacking imo. Also I am not sure about Jim Gordon's input on these pieces, compared with the total Dunbar assault of the studio versions.

    On the other hand we get the Adventures of Greggery Peccary instrumental version. I am not really too fond (blasphemy again?) of the original appearing in Studio Tan, but this instrumental version absolutely nails it, and deserves to be a part of Zappa's "serious" music compositions. I believe the musical content is a lot different, if anyone could help pointing the degree of difference it would be nice. There is a recurrence of music that ended up on (or sprung from) For Calvin from the Grand Wazoo (another underrated masterpiece in my opinion.)

    Anyway, I believe the Petit Wazoo combo, as shown in Imaginary Diseases, works a bit better. And it contains some of Frank's most captivating guitar play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    There is a recurrence of music that ended up on (or sprung from) For Calvin from the Grand Wazoo (another underrated masterpiece in my opinion.)
    As I recall there was a brief quote in "For Calvin" of the "New Brown Clouds" theme that shows up more prominently in Greggery Peccary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    If it's not blasphemy, I'd like to say that I'm not 100% satisfied with Wazoo (my satisfaction rate climbs only to 93%). Grand Wazoo and Big Swifty sound a little sloppy to me.
    (snip)
    There is a recurrence of music that ended up on (or sprung from) For Calvin from the Grand Wazoo (another underrated masterpiece in my opinion.)
    (snip)
    Anyway, I believe the Petit Wazoo combo, as shown in Imaginary Diseases, works a bit better. And it contains some of Frank's most captivating guitar play.
    Approximate is even worse. It doesn't work at all with a big band, sounds like total chaos. I agree about Imaginary Diseases, its the better of the releases (as is Little Dots). But I still really enjoy most of Wazoo. As far as Calvin goes, it really is an amazing piece of music. Not easy to listen to but there's a lot of depth to it. Probably one of his most complex non-classical works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pb2015 View Post
    As I recall there was a brief quote in "For Calvin" of the "New Brown Clouds" theme that shows up more prominently in Greggery Peccary.
    You are correct, sir! I just listened to The Grand Wazoo (along with Waka/Jawaka, One Size Fits All, Roxy And Elsewhere, and most of Make A Jazz Noise Here) today. That's one of the things I do enjoy about Zappa, is picking out those bits hwere he quotes somethign else that you're not expecting, like King Kong and Oh No popping up on Lumpy Gravy (though, of course, Lumpy Gravy preceded the albums where the more fleshed out versions of those pieces appear, but I got both of them years before I got Lumpy Gravy).

    One question about Make A Jazz Noise Here: are Star Wars Won't Work and Dupree's Paradise taken from the same concert? I know the same bit of whammy guitar noise looped in both pieces. I wonder if that was something he played at one point in the show, then stored in one of his delay units, and brought back at a later point in the show, or if that whammy bar thing was something he had stored on the Synclavier and in fact pulled out on multiple occasions throughout the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    One question about Make A Jazz Noise Here: are Star Wars Won't Work and Dupree's Paradise taken from the same concert? I know the same bit of whammy guitar noise looped in both pieces. I wonder if that was something he played at one point in the show, then stored in one of his delay units, and brought back at a later point in the show, or if that whammy bar thing was something he had stored on the Synclavier and in fact pulled out on multiple occasions throughout the tour.
    "Dupree's Paradise" is edited together from several different performances, one of which is the same Stuttgart show that "Star Wars Won't Work" is from. The loop is from FZ's foot pedal; IIRC it's one of the loops he would create before the show which would be used for one show only--they were not saved when he powered down.

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    There is a very good bootleg where Zappa tells the story of Dupree's Paradise. From memory the only one I know with this spoken intro 'Around the world' 74 ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by alucard View Post
    There is a very good bootleg where Zappa tells the story of Dupree's Paradise. From memory the only one I know with this spoken intro 'Around the world' 74 ???
    I think that is from the WXRT Un-concert that FZ edited together from various road tapes. He told Dupree's stories a few times in 1973/74.

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    The live releases are really the best stuff to come out of this. IMO I don't see how you could be disappointed in one of them if you are a fan of that particular lineup/style/time period of the great frank.
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    Oh my God, "The Big Note:A guide to the recordings of Frank Zappa" is finally in my hands and I'm drooling all over it! It's the best thing I've held in my hands since the time I've held my daughter as a newborn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
    Is there ever!

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    800 pages enough for ya??
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    Of the recent (and semi-recent) vault releases, the ones I have been spinning the most lately are:

    Road Tapes, Vol. 2
    Wazoo
    Halloween '77
    Little Dots
    Imaginary Diseases
    Hammersmith Odeon

    ...it's expensive being a Zappa fan/collector, but it's immensely rewarding.
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    Anyone has made a connection with Civilization Phase III? I admit of still being rather cold towards it - not that I have spent that much with it (I am giving it another go today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    Of the recent (and semi-recent) vault releases, the ones I have been spinning the most lately are:

    Road Tapes, Vol. 2
    Wazoo
    Halloween '77
    Little Dots
    Imaginary Diseases
    Hammersmith Odeon

    ...it's expensive being a Zappa fan/collector, but it's immensely rewarding.
    Most of these would be my picks too for the best of the semi-recent releases. I haven't heard Halloween 77 yet. Buffalo is also a good one, and Chicago 78's second disc is quite good but I find the first disc is not very noteworthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    Anyone has made a connection with Civilization Phase III? I admit of still being rather cold towards it - not that I have spent that much with it (I am giving it another go today).
    Gave it a few listens when it first came out, never clicked with me. I especially tried to get into N-lite but like you said, it left me cold. There's really only been 1 synclavier piece that is a must listen for me, Night School from Jazz From Hell.

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