Hurtleturtled Out of Heaven - an electronic music composition, on CD and vinyl
https://michaelpdawson.bandcamp.com
http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Pr...MCD-spc-7.aspx
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-- Aristotle
Nostalgia, you know, ain't what it used to be. Furthermore, they tells me, it never was.
“A Man Who Does Not Read Has No Appreciable Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read” - Mark Twain
Eat your greens
Don't forget your beans & celery
Don't forget to bring
Your fake I.D.
Eat a bunch of these
MAGNIFICIENT
With sauerkraut
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Sauerkraut!
Eat a grape, a fig
A crumpete too ...
You'll pump 'em right through
Doo-wee-ooo
If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.
"And it's only the giving
That makes you what you are" - Ian Anderson
Back to the music!
here is something that many have not heard, I would guess.
A live-in-the-studio performance by the 1986 era 5uu’s on the radio. Loud, distorted and very rocking! A great performance of one of my favorite pieces from Elements!
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
Today's avant-prog purchases:
Absolute Zero: Crashing Icons (2000)
Hamster Theatre: The Public Execution of Mr. Personality / Quasi Day Room: Live at the Moore Theatre (2006)
Absolute Zero I have never heard before so that is going to be interesting.
My progressive music site: https://pienemmatpurot.com/ Reviews in English: https://pienemmatpurot.com/in-english/
It's from a fairly obscure various artists comp of mostly SST-associated bands performing live on LA radio station KXLU called "Taste Test".
I believe Sanjay K told me that even though this is instrumental, vocalist Curt Wilson was there and was singing, but they fucked up and didn't have his mic feed mixed into the sound being broadcast; I think the band could hear him in their headphone mixes, but we can't hear him!
Doesn't matter. Is great.
It's the only live track by the 80s 5uu's I've ever run across / heard.
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
Already have Points of View bought via Bandcamp from a while back along with Elements on vinyl - this is a live version of one of the tracks though, check it out!
I thought it was cool hearing the vocal melodies on synth-only, would be cool to have a mix of the album like that too! Though the vocals on the first two records really give them an avant-Japan vibe to me.
Have you heard the rest of the compilation? Any other avant / experimental styles and artists on it like this?
It's mostly punky and experimental punky SST-related stuff. Not without interest, but 5uu's stands out like a sore, avant-thumb!
1 –fIREHOSE Hear Me
2 –fIREHOSE Relatin' Dudes To Jazz
3 –Deborah Exit Fair-Weather Friend
4 –Roger Miller Firehead
5 –Screaming Trees Tales Of Brave Ulysses
6 –Paper Bag* I Smoked Dope With Judge Ginsberg
7 –Cat's Cradle City Of Junk
8 –Brother Awest* Satan Music
9 –Crimony Vampire Party
10 –Lawndale Sasquatch Rock
11 –Skinhorse Tom Sawyer's Got Cancer
12 –Always August O My Mind
13 –5uu's Resentments
14 –Brother Awest* Our America
15 –D. Boon Themselves
16 –Wanda Coleman First Day Of Spring
17 –Red Temple Spirits The Alchemist's Stone
18 –Universal Congress Of High Time
19 –Abominable (2) With A Wave
20 –Freshly Wrapped Candies Peter Pan
21 –D. Boon and the Stone Puppies Yes, Stephan, There Really Are Musicians From San Pedro
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
So how about Glen Medeiros getting the Trevor Horn treatment? Is it avant binge or just sympho binge?
While not the greatest singer in technical terms, he did possess a beautiful voice with some interesting assets to it - not least the timbre itself. Didn't he become a pop vocalist after his stint in the UU's?
I recall finding Elements on vinyl some five years back and having to let it go; it was that one or Egon Bondy (w. book) by The Plastic People, and I figured chances would be slim that the seller would be carrying the latter on return. So I got Egon. And then, when the guy returned in autumn, someone had bought Elements after all. And I was sad, distraught and genuinely upset.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
I believe it was Dave K. himself who wrote that in this very place a many winters ago. And the comparison to Ray C. is spot on; while he was good enough in some of Zappa's early freakouts, his talents really shone (!) in pop ditties like "How Could I Be Such a Fool?" and "You Didn't Try to Call Me".
I suppose Curt W. was last heard in a 'progressive' context in that opening track on Motor Totemist Guild's City of Mirrors but dang! That's already 20 lengthy years back!
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Now that we have bingeing this "avant-prog" I would be interested to hear how you define this sub-genre of progressive rock (or is it even a sub-genre or something completely different?). What are characteristics of music that need to be present for record or band to be called avant-prog?
I am currently trying to do my top-50 list of avant-prog albums and in some cases find it kind of difficult draw the line which record can be included. And yes I know this not very important but making lists is fun!
My progressive music site: https://pienemmatpurot.com/ Reviews in English: https://pienemmatpurot.com/in-english/
OK, first: This is a variant of the question, "What is prog?" Most of the people here have come to the consensus that, "What is prog?" has no definitive answer. Or, more accurately, that it has thousands or even millions of answers, each of them slightly different from any other, each consisting of one person's own definition, and each right for that one person, but not exactly right for anybody else. There have been occasional proposals to define "prog" statistically - that the more attributes such as odd meters, meter changes, key changes, extended harmony, jazz-oriented improvisation that a song, album, or band's body of work has, the more likely it is to fit under the "prog" umbrella. But nobody has seriously tried to compile such a list of attributes and formally codify such a definition.
With that said, I'll stick my neck out and say that "avant-prog" tends to have a more "difficult" or "advanced" musical vocabulary: "angular" melodies with large jumps; highly chromatic harmony often involving such 20th-Century classical developments as extended tonality, polytonality, or atonality; irregular or cross-metered rhythms; extreme extensions of song structure, sometimes going completely outside that form and toward through-composition; and improvisation borrowing from similarly advanced jazz. It may not have all of those qualities, but it usually has several. It tends to have a lot of dissonance, and to require repeated listening to absorb or understand, but the best of it can stand up to repeated listening.
I am proud to be the first person to post this in this thread....
Steve F.
www.waysidemusic.com
www.cuneiformrecords.com
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“Remember, if it doesn't say "Cuneiform," it's not prog!” - THE Jed Levin
Any time any one speaks to me about any musical project, the one absolute given is "it will not make big money". [tip of the hat to HK]
"Death to false 'support the scene' prog!"
please add 'imo' wherever you like, to avoid offending those easily offended.
Hurtleturtled Out of Heaven - an electronic music composition, on CD and vinyl
https://michaelpdawson.bandcamp.com
http://www.waysidemusic.com/Music-Pr...MCD-spc-7.aspx
Actually in most traditional and Folk music you have dissonant factors factors that don't resolve and that are outside of classic harmony . The hanging and dropping third as well as the minor seventh in American Folk are "very dissonant" but at the same time the trademark sound and not perceived as dissonant per se. Bach used dissonance a lot to creat tension which makes him far more interesting to my ears then let's say Mozart. Same for rhythm a lot of the traditional dances in eastern Europe have jawdropping rhythms which look completely weird in standard notation.
Dieter Moebius : "Art people like things they don’t understand!"
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