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    Who made your yellow suit ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    I like to smoke, drink, and ball.
    Do you have a yellow suit?
    Is it made by Pam??
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    As always, Aymeric beat me to the punch!
    Last edited by Steve F.; 01-05-2019 at 07:10 PM.
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    Another Fine Tune has always been one of my very favorite albums with it's beautifully relaxed vibe that belies all that's going on melodically, IMO it has some of Gowen's very best playing. I get a somewhat similar vibe from Two Rainbows Daily although the atmosphere is quite different with only bass and keyboards esp. when Hugh turns up the fuzz.

    I say good on Mr. Ratledge for knowing when to hang up his hat rather than repeat himself or re-visit the past. He did his thing and achieved near something near mythic. I think is was Jimi Hendrix that suggested the he plug his organ into a fuzz/distortion box, if I remember correctly and the rest is history. Passages man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhabreath View Post
    Another Fine Tune has always been one of my very favorite albums with it's beautifully relaxed vibe that belies all that's going on melodically, IMO it has some of Gowen's very best playing. I get a somewhat similar vibe from Two Rainbows Daily although the atmosphere is quite different with only bass and keyboards esp. when Hugh turns up the fuzz.

    I say good on Mr. Ratledge for knowing when to hang up his hat rather than repeat himself or re-visit the past. He did his thing and achieved near something near mythic. I think is was Jimi Hendrix that suggested the he plug his organ into a fuzz/distortion box, if I remember correctly and the rest is history. Passages man.
    Nice

    I really get a better appreciation of Rutledge more and more as time passes. A beautiful player (and composer). Vol. 2 is one of my fav Canterbury albums on some days (like today again), well after Rotters Club of course. Just magical. I can't get enough of that one. Its really nice to spin these albums roughly the same time every year now, makes it very special. Bloody good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Who made your yellow suit ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Do you have a yellow suit?
    Is it made by Pam??


    You may laugh at me
    Say I don't deserve
    All the things I've had
    Sad...

    I've got a drum kit and some sticks
    So when I'm drunk or in a fit
    I find it easy to express myself
    I hit the drums so hard I break all the heads
    And then I end the day in one of my beds

    I'm nearly 5'7 tall
    I like to smoke and drink and ball
    I've got a yellow suit that's made by Pam
    And every day I like an egg and some tea
    But best of all I like to talk about me!

    You may laugh at me
    Say I don't deserve
    All the things I've had
    If it isn't Krautrock, it's krap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    I had not really appreciated that Gilgamesh record until very very recently - like the last six months.
    I mean, it had Hugh - of course it was good - but I didn't play it much and it never made much of an impression. Seemed too laid back. Or some other flaw I can't really think of now that I am not feeling that way!

    well, whatever needed to happen happened, because it's been killing me these last months. Really lovely.

    so I salute your selection.

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    I remember playing the Gilgamesh album quite a bit when I first got it...a favorite late-night spin as it has that vibe, but the tunes are knotty enough to avoid it ever becoming background music. Terrific stuff.
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    ^^^^^^^

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    Alright... Just finished listening to Robert's '68 CD: my first Canterbury disc of the new year and my contribution to the binge. Absolutely the peak of his creativity (IMHO of course). There are many later moments that could also be argued as peaks. But the light-hearted, soulful, playful magic is here more than anywhere else in his career.

    As for Gilgamesh, I'm really curious now. I own both Gilgamesh studio discs but since my move to Iowa two years ago I can't find them! And I probably have not listened to either one for a decade or more. I only have Arriving Twice, which is great, but need to go back and listen to the orginal releases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhabreath View Post

    I say good on Mr. Ratledge for knowing when to hang up his hat rather than repeat himself or re-visit the past. He did his thing and achieved near something near mythic.
    I'll drink to that

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    Decent tune, that.
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    So, there is some bloke on eBay UK selling his National Health bootlegs: Dundee 1976, Paris 1978, Mattatoio 1979. Anyone know how these are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mascodagama View Post
    So, there is some bloke on eBay UK selling his National Health bootlegs: Dundee 1976, Paris 1978, Mattatoio 1979. Anyone know how these are?
    No f'ing clue, but sounds nice.

    I know this has been posted a ton of times during the years but fuck it, its worth seeing again...and again....and again. One of the real 7-minute gems of the 'Tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    I've got a drum kit and some sticks
    So when I'm drunk or in a fit
    I find it easy to express myself
    I hit the drums so hard I break all the heads
    And then I end the day in one of my beds

    I'm nearly 5'7 tall
    I like to smoke and drink and ball
    I've got a yellow suit that's made by Pam
    And every day I like an egg and some tea
    But best of all I like to talk about me!
    One of the better Jon Anderson lyrics; I wish he'd included it on Topographic.

    As for that "Collapso" footage, it's full-blown Drunkanterbury. Which is merely a subgenre of true Canterbury.
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    It's interesting how Pip sets up those 2 cymbals in an almost-vertical manner (they don't look like china's to me?) , sort of surrounding him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post

    As for that "Collapso" footage, it's full-blown Drunkanterbury. Which is merely a subgenre of true Canterbury.
    Greaves, us, or both? Its definitely not perfect (Phil clams that section near the end) and Greaves.....is Greaves. Just saw they he is a Cambridge University alumni, never knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Greaves, us, or both? Its definitely not perfect (Phil clams that section near the end) and Greaves.....is Greaves. Just saw they he is a Cambridge University alumni, never knew that.
    Greaves is very drunk. It's complained about by Stewart in the booklet with Complete, iirc.
    If John is, can Pip really be so far behind?

    As far as the clam(s), they weren't a band by that point with Stewart who had left months previously, and Gowen hadn't yet come in. In other words, they were not in good practice.

    Even so, it's still a pretty good clip and it's a pretty hard song done live, by a band out of practice. It doesn't detract from their sizable legacy. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    One of the better Jon Anderson lyrics; I wish he'd included it on Topographic.
    It's on the missing third record (Side 5) called "The Kitchen Appliance of Cod". Side 6 was left blank intentionally and is to be played with all 5 other sides simultaneously. It was a group effort. Ask Jonny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Greaves is very drunk. It's complained about by Stewart in the booklet with Complete, iirc.

    As far as the clam(s), they weren't a band by that point with Stewart who had left months previously, and Gowen hadn't yet come in. In other words, they were not in good practice.
    Makes it even more amazing then.
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    Fucking Greaves is a Fucking Monster. He even makes a Neil Murray look like an amateur boy picked from the streets (and I love Neil).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    Makes it even more amazing then.
    You quoted me before I changed it to reflect my belief that if John was drunk, Pip was too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    Fucking Greaves is a Fucking Monster. He even makes a Neil Murray look like an amateur boy picked from the streets (and I love Neil).
    He may be a better player overall (debatable?) but there isn't one single nano-second on National Heath where I'm saying to my kids "Oh man, I can'r wait for Greaves on the next one....". To me he plays beautifully and serves the tunes/album perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    You quoted me before I changed it to reflect my belief that if John was drunk, Pip was too.

    Yes sir
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    As far as who is better than who or what-have-you, this is thorough-composed ensemble music, with room for improvised parts and for 'putting eyebrows on the music'.

    While distinctive voices are important and the music allows great and distinctive voices to shine and be 'themselves', and put their own version of eyebrows on, ultimately, this, like all composed music, needs people who are interested enough or good enough to perform it. Even if they aren't particularly 'quirky' (like Neil Murray), he played his parts extremely well and got inside the music and allowed it to be a great album.

    Doesn't really matter who came next or what-have-you. He was the bassist at the time and he did great and we are all lucky that he was there to be in that band and make the recordings he is on.

    IMO. [ I've gotten very zen in my old age. ]
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    Quote Originally Posted by chalkpie View Post
    To me he plays beautifully and serves the tunes/album perfectly.
    You said what I said in about 10% of the verbiage. So, YES. I may have to hire you as my editor.
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